New rudder box for Sonata 6.7

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x sport guy
x sport guy
VIC
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VIC, 110 posts
7 Jan 2014 12:02pm
Hi everyone on this side of the forum. Not new to the site as I have been loitering around the windsurfing area for years, and while still windsurfing a bit I have decided to get back to my roots and enter into the world of trailer sailor ownership as of 6 months or so ago, having sailed and owned various kinds of off the beach boats and sailed on many others up until some years ago

So having bought a well maintained Sonata 6.7 with many recent upgrades, (am loving the boat BTW) we have made a few alterations ourselves such as some new LED nav lights, switchboard, new bunk cushions and odds and ends, I now want to do something about the swing rudder box which I don't like. The rudder in question is a sonata 8 item, beautiful foil shape and steers great, but has other issues, as opposed to the one built by the original owner, which is a beautifully made all timber box tiller and blade, but steers like crap and stalls badly the moment any weather helm presents.

So I have a couple of options as I see it, 1) make a new timber blade for the original, although the box isn't very wide which means any new blade will be a little skinny in its profile, part of the current blades problem, and therefore pull the box apart and widen it too, or, 2) make a new box and tiller for the sonata 8 blade. Now the issues with the 8's ruder box is the pull up and down arrangement is not so flash, and needs some alterations, the castings are prone to corrosion and cracks (1 has been welded up previously) and the tiller and box are WAY overweight, so I figure if I go with option 2, I will end up with a better outcome.




While the image above is not of my rudder, I searched the image out, mine is identical, complete with same welded up crack :).

What I'm interested in is some ideas from people on how to make something similar in design but lightweight, without going into composites (probably an all alloy/ aluminum build but am open to options). I'm fairly handy with the tools being a chippy and confident to do it, but just don't have the experience of having done it before and am hoping someone(s) here may have some ideas on design.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Cheers
mjames
mjames
NSW
20 posts
NSW, 20 posts
8 Jan 2014 8:28pm
Hi there,
Couple of ideas. I made a swing rudder and box/stock for my Careel 18. Made the box from sheet aluminium and had it bent. The blade fitted inside and the stock was reinforced with blocks of timber and stainless rods. I used this rudder for cruising but I also retro fitted a dagger style rudder from a castle 650 for racing. It was a big rudder and was probably oversize for a C18 but worked very well and it was also very good quality. I know of a few guys who have also retrofitted castle rudders to careel 18s and 22s and swear by them. They are located in Melbourne and are very well priced for what you get. Be patient these blokes are very nice and laid back but be expected to wait a couple of months. From memory 4 yrs ago it cost me $500 for rudder and stock. I can dig out some photos and email them to you if required.
x sport guy
x sport guy
VIC
110 posts
VIC, 110 posts
13 Jan 2014 5:10pm
Thanks. I have read about yachtworks taking up to 6 mths or so to make these rudders and stock, while they look pretty neat and do seem reasonably priced, I'm not sure I want to wait that long for it, and I do like kick up rudders a little better. I'd be curious to see any photos you may have of the one you made up for your swing rudder.

Thanks for your help.

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