Noticed a whole bunch of Yachts in the bay last night with their anchor Masthead light on and assumed they must be anchored rather than on moorings. Chatting to someone at the yacht club today apparently even yachts on moorings are required to have their Masthead light lit in the bay. Seems a bit weird?
Select to expand quotelydia said..
Law in Qld
Thanks. Haven't got my boat up here this time but good to know. Guess I shouldn't assume that everything is the same as New South Wales. That would get rid of most of the mooring Minders we have in New South Wales. Wonder how they went before LED lighting and good solar. You would have to visit your boat wants a fortnight to make sure battery system wasn't kaput
don't get why don't you do a search and get the law instead of opinions
www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Navigation-lights
Select to expand quoteSeebreasy73 said..
don't get why don't you do a search and get the law instead of opinions
www.msq.qld.gov.au/Safety/Navigation-lights
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law which others may therefore benefit from knowing and I don't have my boat here anyway so I'm not going to spend my vacation searching pages of government regulations.
Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
No it is not an "oddball law"!!
It is, and has been for centuries, a common law of the seas that vessels during the hours of darkness display lights that indicate the presence of the vessel and whether the vessel is underway, anchored, moored or disabled or whatever.
It is a common sense thing which seems to be a rarity in practice lately.
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
Would cable tying a few of these to your pullpit, pullpit or stanchions stress you financially??
www.bunnings.com.au/click-libre-solar-led-pathway-light_p0180287
Select to expand quotecisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
No it is not an "oddball law"!!
It is, and has been for centuries, a common law of the seas that vessels during the hours of darkness display lights that indicate the presence of the vessel and whether the vessel is underway, anchored, moored or disabled or whatever.
It is a common sense thing of which seems to be a rarity in practice lately.
Agree its an oddball law, WA has no requirement to have your anchor light running when you are on a mooring.
Does any other state have this requirement, or is it a Qld thing?
How can you say it is an "oddball law" ??
It is not a "state" thing.
Read up the international COLREGS.
Select to expand quoteIlenart said..
Does any other state have this requirement, or is it a Qld thing?
It's a Queensland thing. It's an oddball 'state thing'.
Does not apply in Victoria to moored boats. Handbook-2020-Chapter-2.pdf (transportsafety.vic.gov.au) page 88 - only for anchored boats. Select to expand quotejulesmoto said..
have to visit your boat wants a fortnight
What spelling of "once" Goodness!
Select to expand quoteFabulousPhill said..Ilenart said..
Does any other state have this requirement, or is it a Qld thing?
It's a Queensland thing. It's an oddball 'state thing'.
Does not apply in Victoria to moored boats. Handbook-2020-Chapter-2.pdf (transportsafety.vic.gov.au) page 88 - only for anchored boats. julesmoto said..
have to visit your boat wants a fortnight
What spelling of "once" Goodness!
That's what you get when you rely on technology too much. Gave up typing with little tiny squares ages ago and simply speak everything into my phone now. Brings up another irritating issue with this site in that you can only edit or delete what you have posted for a short period and then it is set in stone. It has caught me out a few times especially when the site is slow and you push "post" and nothing happens for a while so you push it again and end up with duplicate posts which you notice later but then can't delete. Apologies for this although I'm sure it will happen again. In any event I thought one of the nice things about the sailing community, as was the sports bike community that I was part of for years, was that an interest in the sport trumps any level of education. I have noticed lots of bad English grammar and spelling on here but in my book if the poster has a genuine interest in sailing that's good enough.
Select to expand quotecisco said..
How can you say it is an "oddball law" ??
It is not a "state" thing.
Read up the international COLREGS.
It's not the first time local rules/law are outside of colregs. Eg Sydney ferries.
Moorings are a permanent place of residence for a boat not in use, as opposed to someone anchoring for the night in a location where there would normally not be an obstruction. All the mooring fields i know of are placed away from navigable channels. Some states have recognised that its absurd for a semi permanent feature to have a light on it at night. Thats the difference.
But if queensland rules are anchor light must be displayed, whilst antiquated then them's the rules.
Select to expand quotecisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
In daylight if you get hit, they'll ask you for evidence of your black ball...???
Unfortunately its a case of horses for courses and for Queensland to change this rule it would be necessary to undertake the enormous task of clearing out the hundreds ,if not thousands of moorings situated in channels , creeks and passages between the hundreds of islands as per the google earth photo of part of the main channel between the GC and Moreton Bay.(all those white dots are moored boats at Stieglitz and Jacobs Well . I remember reading on SB a few years ago of a Cat. A heading back from S/H having to place two crew up forward with torches to navigate their way up this channel due to unlit moored boats.
Select to expand quotecisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
No it is not an "oddball law"!!
It is, and has been for centuries, a common law of the seas that vessels during the hours of darkness display lights that indicate the presence of the vessel and whether the vessel is underway, anchored, moored or disabled or whatever.
It is a common sense thing which seems to be a rarity in practice lately.
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
Would cable tying a few of these to your pullpit, pullpit or stanchions stress you financially??
www.bunnings.com.au/click-libre-solar-led-pathway-light_p0180287
my local chandler says that the bunnings lights don,t pass the regulations so i found a light sensitive switch to turn the light on at dusk,the switch isn,t water proof and is mounted inside but is still able to pick up dusk and dawn
Select to expand quoteOffthegrid said..cisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
In daylight if you get hit, they'll ask you for evidence of your black ball...???
Don't joke, yes the power boat carries a black ball for that reason in Qld
Select to expand quotegrich62 said..cisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
No it is not an "oddball law"!!
It is, and has been for centuries, a common law of the seas that vessels during the hours of darkness display lights that indicate the presence of the vessel and whether the vessel is underway, anchored, moored or disabled or whatever.
It is a common sense thing which seems to be a rarity in practice lately.
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
Would cable tying a few of these to your pullpit, pullpit or stanchions stress you financially??
www.bunnings.com.au/click-libre-solar-led-pathway-light_p0180287
my local chandler says that the bunnings lights don,t pass the regulations so i found a light sensitive switch to turn the light on at dusk,the switch isn,t water proof and is mounted inside but is still able to pick up dusk and dawn
My solar controller turns my anchor light on and off,
It's only in the last few years or so that the anchor light requirement has been introduced in Qld. There was some logic to not requiring anchor lights to be on when on a mooring as that had something to do with the boat being attached to a fixed structure, just as if it were at a wharf. And just like wharves, mooring fields are static so there really isn't an excuse to blindly go tearing through one.
Nevertheless, modern technology has made it feasible to display anchor lights on mooring (LED bulbs, light sensitive switches etc) so all in all it's a good thing. In the "old days" we did hang Bunnings solar powered garden lights off the moored boats if for no other reason than to allow us to find them in the dark when dinghying out to them, but they certainly aren't up to COLREG standards.
ha, interesting discussion.
Just went looking for my old USA rules book but can't find it. I seem to remember in Cali it was something like Anchoring you need a light, for the purpose of the rule mooring is considered anchoring but not needed if in a designated mooring area.
looking at the VIC guide there is no mention of mooring nor a definition. Good on QLD for being explicit, any time there is inconsistent or unmentioned situations you are going to get differences of interpretation. I suppose it all comes down to local convention.
How about Steaming shapes, anyone use the cone?
Select to expand quoteJolene said..grich62 said..cisco said..julesmoto said..
Maybe because it's a bit of an oddball law
No it is not an "oddball law"!!
It is, and has been for centuries, a common law of the seas that vessels during the hours of darkness display lights that indicate the presence of the vessel and whether the vessel is underway, anchored, moored or disabled or whatever.
It is a common sense thing which seems to be a rarity in practice lately.
You could try your insurance policy out to see if it will cover the loss of your vessel in the instance where another vessel collides with your unlit vessel causing a total loss of your vessel.
Would cable tying a few of these to your pullpit, pullpit or stanchions stress you financially??
www.bunnings.com.au/click-libre-solar-led-pathway-light_p0180287
my local chandler says that the bunnings lights don,t pass the regulations so i found a light sensitive switch to turn the light on at dusk,the switch isn,t water proof and is mounted inside but is still able to pick up dusk and dawn
My solar controller turns my anchor light on and off,
my solar controller has the same function but use it as low power cut out it only has the choice of on or the other
Select to expand quoteBananabender said..
Unfortunately its a case of horses for courses and for Queensland to change this rule it would be necessary to undertake the enormous task of clearing out the hundreds ,if not thousands of moorings situated in channels , creeks and passages between the hundreds of islands as per the google earth photo of part of the main channel between the GC and Moreton Bay.(all those white dots are moored boats at Stieglitz and Jacobs Well . I remember reading on SB a few years ago of a Cat. A heading back from S/H having to place two crew up forward with torches to navigate their way up this channel due to unlit moored boats.
These are old photos, nothing like that many boats there after the clean up!
Anchor light is not required on a mooring in NSW.
Select to expand quotenswsailor said..Bananabender said..
Unfortunately its a case of horses for courses and for Queensland to change this rule it would be necessary to undertake the enormous task of clearing out the hundreds ,if not thousands of moorings situated in channels , creeks and passages between the hundreds of islands as per the google earth photo of part of the main channel between the GC and Moreton Bay.(all those white dots are moored boats at Stieglitz and Jacobs Well . I remember reading on SB a few years ago of a Cat. A heading back from S/H having to place two crew up forward with torches to navigate their way up this channel due to unlit moored boats.
These are old photos, nothing like that many boats there after the clean up!
Anchor light is not required on a mooring in NSW.
Actually its worse. They may have cleaned out the wrecks but the moorings were soon occupied . I am at Horizon Shores Marina and winding my way out once a week .
It's interesting that the Qld regs state an all-round white light and no mention of masthead. Having an all-round white light on the masthead on a mooring or anchoring is about the dumbest thing you can do if your worried about someone running into you! Just above the cabin or near eye level is the best. I have had a couple of close calls closing the coast and some yacht anchoring with a masthead light hidden amongst the background lights! If you use a Bunnings garden light ensure you have a glass one. Spend a bit extra.
Just a little of topic now. Watched a TV show about the Fastnet Rock lighthouse recently. The current light is a single 3w led bulb!
