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International Waters

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Created by MAGNESIUM > 9 months ago, 22 Feb 2024
MAGNESIUM
221 posts
22 Feb 2024 5:41PM
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If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??

trixpan
33 posts
22 Feb 2024 6:28PM
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Boats carry flags for a reason...

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
23 Feb 2024 7:53AM
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Trouble is you are a citizen of somewhere as is your boat but more importantly you have to leave from somewhere and you have to come back in somewhere so if you set off and murder your wife mid ocean or exchange a ton of drugs mid ocean one or more of the port you left from, the port you eventually come back into or the country of your/your boats nationality are likely to have something to say about it.

Governments are incredibly inventive, dishonest and corrupt so if they want to get you even if they don't have actual jurisdiction. You only have to look at Julian Assange to see this. Might is right.
The pirate radio stations off the UK in the 60s and 70s are an interesting read as well.

MAGNESIUM
221 posts
23 Feb 2024 7:59AM
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julesmoto said..
Trouble is you are a citizen of somewhere as is your boat but more importantly you have to leave from somewhere and you have to come back in somewhere so if you set off and murder your wife mid ocean or exchange a ton of drugs mid ocean one or more of the port you left from, the port you eventually come back into or the country of your/your boats nationality are likely to have something to say about it.

Governments are incredibly inventive, dishonest and corrupt so if they want to get you even if they don't have actual jurisdiction. You only have to look at Julian Assange to see this. Might is right.
The pirate radio stations off the UK in the 60s and 70s are an interesting read as well.


Kris Larsen sails the world no papers no reg no compass .
www.latitude38.com/lectronic/kris-larsen-and-the-kehaar-darwin/

garymalmgren
1352 posts
23 Feb 2024 8:57AM
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Hi MAGNESIUM.
Your first post was .
If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??

Then posted Larsen's story.
RE:"criss-crossed the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific for seven years, from Australia to Madagascar and Japan, covering a total of 45,000 miles."

He obviously entered foreign ports.

If you can believe that the Japanese Coast Guard, Marine police, Port Authorities, Customs would let a vessel or person enter or transit their territory with " no papers or reg", think again.

Every document that you can imagine (or have never imagined) is absolutely necessary.
Madagascar would be the same if not worse.

Bottom line is you need documents.

Gary

Trek
NSW, 1188 posts
23 Feb 2024 1:02PM
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Except on the north coast of Australia

MAGNESIUM
221 posts
23 Feb 2024 11:54AM
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garymalmgren said..
Hi MAGNESIUM.
Your first post was .
If you are sailing in international waters , outside any countries jurisdiction , minding your own business, not trying to enter into any country , are you required by any laws , to be restricted or governed by any bureaucracy ??

Then posted Larsen's story.
RE:"criss-crossed the Indian Ocean and the Western Pacific for seven years, from Australia to Madagascar and Japan, covering a total of 45,000 miles."

He obviously entered foreign ports.

If you can believe that the Japanese Coast Guard, Marine police, Port Authorities, Customs would let a vessel or person enter or transit their territory with " no papers or reg", think again.

Every document that you can imagine (or have never imagined) is absolutely necessary.
Madagascar would be the same if not worse.

Bottom line is you need documents.

Gary


Hi Gary if you can ever find his book he cut a tree down in Tasmania for a mast no engine he just left , my interest is international waters and the law Kris has been in trouble they where going to take his boat off him , he did go into Japan , I am not here to argue with you it's Kris's story .

JonE
VIC, 549 posts
23 Feb 2024 7:10PM
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Below 40 degrees south, there is no law; below 50 degrees, there is no God.

EastCoastSail
329 posts
23 Feb 2024 5:26PM
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Interesting question, if intending to leave overseas you must have a Australian registered ship and depart from a clearance port.

But if you intend to sail to an overseas Australian territory, let's say Lord Howe Is it's my understanding you don't have to clear Australia. Once you get out of Australia's exclusive economic zone (EEZ) 200Nm of then the right of hot pursuit ceases as long as you didn't do anything wrong and aren't being chased. There is a gap between Lord Howe Is and mainland Australia EEZ so then you are intentional waters. Extraterritorial jurisdiction gives government the authority to extend its laws beyond its borders. Some Australian criminal laws apply to Australians even when you're overseas. so if none of that fits your relatively free. But reading yachting websites some countries Navies will board you on suspicion eg USA.

so you are kind of free

Ramona
NSW, 7731 posts
24 Feb 2024 8:48AM
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There is no gap between Australia and Lord Howe but there is between Norfolk Island and Lord Howe. If you had an Australian Commonwealth fishing licensed vessel then Canberra would be monitoring your position 24 hours a day every day!

MAGNESIUM
221 posts
24 Feb 2024 5:58AM
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What Law Applies In International Waters?

MAGNESIUM
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24 Feb 2024 5:59AM
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Trek said..
Except on the north coast of Australia


Exactly no registration needed in the NT
the last bastion of freedom

EastCoastSail
329 posts
24 Feb 2024 6:14AM
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Ramona, your correct, no gap between Lord Howe and the mainland.

The opening statement was 'out of jurisdiction' effectively that means out of the EEZ as that is the area of more surveillance for most countries. If you depart from NT it's a long way until you reach international waters, Indonesia claims a large EEZ and Territorial Sea.

I'm not any kind of expert in this, I just think it's interesting and somewhat understandable desire to escape modern society.


tarquin1
954 posts
24 Feb 2024 2:49PM
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When you are out there nobody will know so it doesn't matter. Just don't ever come back. That's when people ask questions.
Look into admiralty/maritime law. Also as someone said the flag of the boat.
If you can leave somewhere with an unregistered boat with no flag you might be OK. Again coming back will be the problem.



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