I am beginning to wonder if autopilots are such a good thing

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garymalmgren
garymalmgren
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2 Jul 2025 7:21pm
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FabulousPhill
FabulousPhill
VIC
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VIC, 331 posts
2 Jul 2025 9:27pm
Why would they not be (a good thing)?
Like any tool, they need to be supervised, but they enable us to do long trips, solo or just relieved at the helm.
garymalmgren
garymalmgren
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1383 posts
2 Jul 2025 7:40pm
Yep Phil. Of course they should be monitored,
However there seem to be more and more accidents that boil down to the tech.
More loud warning sirens?
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/29/new-zealand-navy-ship-hmnzs-manawanui-sinking-autopilot-inquiry-ntwnfb
EastCoastSail
EastCoastSail
359 posts
359 posts
3 Jul 2025 4:03am
garymalmgren said..
Yep Phil. Of course they should be monitored,
However there seem to be more and more accidents that boil down to the tech.
More loud warning sirens?
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/29/new-zealand-navy-ship-hmnzs-manawanui-sinking-autopilot-inquiry-ntwnfb



If you read the full inquiry for Manawanui unfortunately the root cause is systemic incompetence. An embarrassing outcome for a proud seafaring nation.

I have had a couple of anxious moments from my autopilot but in every instance when reviewed I was in error.
My key lesson learnt is when running autopilot from a touchscreen MFD in heavy weather with lots of spray the MFD control is useless. I need to recognise this and use the dedicated autopilot control at the front of the cockpit.
cammd
cammd
QLD
4452 posts
QLD, 4452 posts
3 Jul 2025 4:25pm
EastCoastSail said..

garymalmgren said..
Yep Phil. Of course they should be monitored,
However there seem to be more and more accidents that boil down to the tech.
More loud warning sirens?
www.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/29/new-zealand-navy-ship-hmnzs-manawanui-sinking-autopilot-inquiry-ntwnfb




If you read the full inquiry for Manawanui unfortunately the root cause is systemic incompetence. An embarrassing outcome for a proud seafaring nation.

I have had a couple of anxious moments from my autopilot but in every instance when reviewed I was in error.
My key lesson learnt is when running autopilot from a touchscreen MFD in heavy weather with lots of spray the MFD control is useless. I need to recognise this and use the dedicated autopilot control at the front of the cockpit.


Auto pilots and charts plotters, never the twain shall meet.
southace
southace
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SA, 4803 posts
4 Jul 2025 1:08am
I just completed 6500 solo miles on autopilot , touched bottom once in the Great sandy straits and hand steered approximately 2 nm while berthing, anchoring and setting the mainsail. Don't blame the machine the fault i lies in the operator!
Ambler
Ambler
TAS
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TAS, 123 posts
6 Jul 2025 10:05am
Its a good idea to set a cross track alarm from a gps or plotter as a back up warning when steering via autopilot or windvane. Currents can have a big effect over a number of hours sending your boat sideways into danger.
MorningBird
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6 Jul 2025 10:20am
Lord Howe would have been a pain in the proverbial without the Fleming, and the Simrad when needed.
p3p4p5
p3p4p5
WA
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WA, 68 posts
6 Jul 2025 9:15am
How ridiculous, a professional war ship or anyone else for that matter that turns on the autopilot and goes to sleep. Nobody on watch, nobody practicing basic seamanship before we start talking about course alarms, radar alarms, depth alarms and whatever else warnings you program. To blame a "dumb " autopilot that gets told what to do with no inputs from a ton of "smarts" and a "smart" sailor is a ridiculous argument as it gets especially in the era of networked NMEA everything.

As ridiculous as that prank video.

scruzin
scruzin
SA
562 posts
SA, 562 posts
7 Jul 2025 8:26am
Having said all that, it's surprising that readily-available autopilots don't implement land avoidance. With access to a chart, it's not technically difficult, after all. PredictWind and others happily route around land.

Perhaps there needs to be a new NMEA message which advertises proximity to land.
Trek
Trek
NSW
1213 posts
NSW, 1213 posts
7 Jul 2025 9:50am
Lots of marine Radars have land proximity alarms.
shaggybaxter
shaggybaxter
QLD
2670 posts
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9 Jul 2025 1:36am
scruzin said..
Having said all that, it's surprising that readily-available autopilots don't implement land avoidance. With access to a chart, it's not technically difficult, after all. PredictWind and others happily route around land.

Perhaps there needs to be a new NMEA message which advertises proximity to land.




Some routing software/chartplotters have an 'arrival near the coast' alarm. It uses SHOM coastline data, you just set the proximity alarm to suit. Doesn't work for dangerous rocks though, so you still need something else like a depth alarm to stay away from them.
D3
D3
WA
1576 posts
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WA, 1576 posts
12 Jul 2025 1:56am
I'm hoping it becomes more common that plotters have features that enable a "look ahead" zone that will detect and alert if objects/contours/soundings enter it.

This feature, just like autopilots and everything else on boats, will need to be practiced and drilled by users.

It seems that people often incorrectly use equipment and systems due to lack of confidence and competence outside of trying it a couple of times when new.

I've just been on a boat where the safety depth alarm had been set at zero for a year, because the person who set it while in berth, no longer crews on the boat.
The owner was not aware that this feature may have helped prevent his last two groundings.
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