Hey there my name is Hakan, you doin good? Looking into sailing for the next stage of my life, currently 35. And decided to go for a slower, safer full keel cruiser which I can sail by my self. I like The Compass 28/29 from the late 70's and 80's and seen the H28 variations too. Wondering though, What are other full keel cruisers around the same era? No longer than 30 feet and around 20k give or take. Because even though Compass seem to have a good reputation. They're missing the cutaway from the man hole, excuse me if it's not called that but you know what I mean. So yeah. Which full keel yachts do you like from the 70's which are around 30 feet and around 20kCheers lads. - Harks.
Clansman. Bullet proof and not slow if you sail them hard.
sailboatdata.com/sailboat/clansman-30
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/clansman-30/219508
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Clansman. Bullet proof and not slow if you sail them hard.
sailboatdata.com/sailboat/clansman-30
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/clansman-30/219508
Yeah something like that.
Thanks.
I must be in the naive, early stages of sailing because, I think I am gonna sail that thing around the world...maybe just Asia to begin with.
Nicholson 32 is outside your sail requirements but is a better long keeler. Not many come up for sale, owners tend to hold on to them. Sell between 10 and 20 grand usually. Twice the interior room of a Compass 29. I'm not keen on the hard dodger on this one but it does have an Aries.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/camper-nicholson-32-mk-x/247471
Hey there,
My experience is that if you are going to extensively cruise a $20k yacht, then the purchase cost will only be a fraction of the ongoing costs. The cost to keep at 33' boat will be very similar to a 28' boat, but the additional amenity, cruise speed and internal space is massive.
Make sure the rig, engine, keel, rudder are good and decks are not soft as theses can cost more than the entire boat to replace.
A
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Nicholson 32 is outside your sail requirements but is a better long keeler. Not many come up for sale, owners tend to hold on to them. Sell between 10 and 20 grand usually. Twice the interior room of a Compass 29. I'm not keen on the hard dodger on this one but it does have an Aries.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/camper-nicholson-32-mk-x/247471
This one?
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/nicholson-32/249574
Select to expand quoter13 said..Ramona said..
Nicholson 32 is outside your sail requirements but is a better long keeler. Not many come up for sale, owners tend to hold on to them. Sell between 10 and 20 grand usually. Twice the interior room of a Compass 29. I'm not keen on the hard dodger on this one but it does have an Aries.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/camper-nicholson-32-mk-x/247471
This one?
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/nicholson-32/249574
This could be a good one if you're handy enough to pull the teak deck up and fill or glass over all the screw holes.
thats if its a glass deck underneath. If its plywood then that could be a big can of worms to be opening.
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world? It's been done before, I couldn't think of anything worse than risking my life just to sail around the world in a small cheap boat. If it's really some dream you have had since childhood I would suggest you save you pennies and buy a good seaworthy 34ft + yacht and build up some experience before even thinking about circumnavigating the globe.
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world?
Blame it on Youtube, Southy.
However. I think Covid might have pulled a lot of people up short.
No open ports of call makes for an extra boring circumnavigation.
OK. if you like non-stop, I guess.
gary
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Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world? It's been done before, I couldn't think of anything worse than risking my life just to sail around the world in a small cheap boat. If it's really some dream you have had since childhood I would suggest you save you pennies and buy a good seaworthy 34ft + yacht and build up some experience before even thinking about circumnavigating the globe.
I don't think Harks, has specifically said he is going to cruise the world, but I agree with your point that for making big ocean passages 30-40' is the go. Again there are so many costs that have nothing to do with the size of your boat, that getting into that category makes lots of sense.
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Select to expand quotegarymalmgren said..
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world?
Blame it on Youtube, Southy.
However. I think Covid might have pulled a lot of people up short.
No open ports of call makes for an extra boring circumnavigation.
OK. if you like non-stop, I guess.
gary
I guess Southy you are not a huge fan of this:
www.classglobe580.com
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For a newby like Harks, (and I would not consider myself an "oldy", yet), I suggest the following
* get an smaller, cheaper boat now and live with it (not necessarily on it) for a couple of years, doing day-sails and weekenders. Look for the best condition boat you can get for your price range, keeping a few thousand in your pocket for the inevitable repairs and replacements.
* get your sailing experience up by actually sailing and taking courses - invest in your skills rather than your gear
* when you are ready and know what to look for, upgrade to a blue water cruiser
Select to expand quoter13 said..Ramona said..
Nicholson 32 is outside your sail requirements but is a better long keeler. Not many come up for sale, owners tend to hold on to them. Sell between 10 and 20 grand usually. Twice the interior room of a Compass 29. I'm not keen on the hard dodger on this one but it does have an Aries.
www.boatsonline.com.au/boats-for-sale/used/sailing-boats/camper-nicholson-32-mk-x/247471
This one?
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/nicholson-32/249574
Nice example.
Oh...you guys mean sailings not coral reefs, drone footage and bikinis?
Considering the old/simple designs because of this:
www.atomvoyages.com/planning/good-old-boats-list.html
Even though the list has many full keel yacht around 30ft, 95% of'em are in the US which is why I am asking here.
And keep in mind, I'll be sailing solo 80% of the time, I figure anything over 30ft would be harder to short hand?
Is that the right verb...short hand?
Anyways.
I'm for a new skill, think sailings gonna be it.
Select to expand quoteAndrew68 said..garymalmgren said..
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world?
Blame it on Youtube, Southy.
However. I think Covid might have pulled a lot of people up short.
No open ports of call makes for an extra boring circumnavigation.
OK. if you like non-stop, I guess.
gary
I guess Southy you are not a huge fan of this:
www.classglobe580.com
A
That's a bit different to a Dunc 29 etc your looking at a 300k + global racer. Not the same as what was origionly posted.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..Andrew68 said..garymalmgren said..
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world?
Blame it on Youtube, Southy.
However. I think Covid might have pulled a lot of people up short.
No open ports of call makes for an extra boring circumnavigation.
OK. if you like non-stop, I guess.
gary
I guess Southy you are not a huge fan of this:
www.classglobe580.com
A
That's a bit different to a Dunc 29 etc your looking at a 300k + global racer. Not the same as what was origionly posted.
The plans cost 300euros, and I think I heard Don say that the cost might be some thing like $50k to build, was no where near 300k.
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Oh...you guys mean sailings not coral reefs, drone footage and bikinis?
Considering the old/simple designs because of this:
www.atomvoyages.com/planning/good-old-boats-list.html
Even though the list has many full keel yacht around 30ft, 95% of'em are in the US which is why I am asking here.
And keep in mind, I'll be sailing solo 80% of the time, I figure anything over 30ft would be harder to short hand?
Is that the right verb...short hand?
Anyways.
I'm for a new skill, think sailings gonna be it.
If it was my choice I would ignore that list and make an offer on the Rival 34 on eBay. It is larger than what your talking about and over your asking price but it is pretty much the ultimate long distance cruiser for solo sailors. It also is not long keeled but has a longish fin keel. Think SS34 with added seaworthiness! The boat is already fitted with a windvane self steering gear. I don't like the hard dodger but it may appeal to others. Correctly rigged this vessel would be no harder to handle than a 28 foot long keeler.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/RIVAL-34-YACHT/254632690064?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Not in the right price bracket but I had a compass 28 then got an Arends 33 considering you'll no doubt spend money doing it up to your liking you may as well save up and get something you can keep longer term and put your effort and money into getting that up to scratch rather than having to do it twice. If you could get a reasonable compass 28 for a good price closer to 10k +/- a few thousand depending on condition then I would consider it for a first boat to learn in for minimal cost I think it could easily do coastal passages safely. I love the Arends 33 but the Compass has a fond place in my heart as a solid simple boat that I always felt safe in and was easy to handle on my own. Personally I was never a fan of the Compass 29 especially with the wheel, tiller is much better for that size boat if you can get one.
Select to expand quoteRamona said..Harks said..
Oh...you guys mean sailings not coral reefs, drone footage and bikinis?
Considering the old/simple designs because of this:
www.atomvoyages.com/planning/good-old-boats-list.html
Even though the list has many full keel yacht around 30ft, 95% of'em are in the US which is why I am asking here.
And keep in mind, I'll be sailing solo 80% of the time, I figure anything over 30ft would be harder to short hand?
Is that the right verb...short hand?
Anyways.
I'm for a new skill, think sailings gonna be it.
If it was my choice I would ignore that list and make an offer on the Rival 34 on eBay. It is larger than what your talking about and over your asking price but it is pretty much the ultimate long distance cruiser for solo sailors. It also is not long keeled but has a longish fin keel. Think SS34 with added seaworthiness! The boat is already fitted with a windvane self steering gear. I don't like the hard dodger but it may appeal to others. Correctly rigged this vessel would be no harder to handle than a 28 foot long keeler.
www.ebay.com.au/itm/RIVAL-34-YACHT/254632690064?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
That is a classic quality British boat. I think Princess Anne had one.
Compass 28 is a good boat, however choose one with at least 10hp and preferably 12hp, and rigging less than 10 years old.
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Doing some browsing of my own, and found this gem of a quote for the Hardin 45 ...
"It isn't that fast for a boat, but she's pretty quick for a house".
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Not in the right price bracket but I had a compass 28 then got an Arends 33 considering you'll no doubt spend money doing it up to your liking you may as well save up and get something you can keep longer term and put your effort and money into getting that up to scratch rather than having to do it twice. If you could get a reasonable compass 28 for a good price closer to 10k +/- a few thousand depending on condition then I would consider it for a first boat to learn in for minimal cost I think it could easily do coastal passages safely. I love the Arends 33 but the Compass has a fond place in my heart as a solid simple boat that I always felt safe in and was easy to handle on my own. Personally I was never a fan of the Compass 29 especially with the wheel, tiller is much better for that size boat if you can get one.
Sydney88, is the Arends 33 a solid fiberglass hull boat or is it cored?
Harks, this one should tick all your boxes
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/currawong-30/254259
Select to expand quoteWarrina III said..
Harks, this one should tick all your boxes
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/currawong-30/254259
That's an excellent boat owned by a good looking old bloke but it does not meet the criteria of a slow boat with a long keel!
Select to expand quoteRamona said..Warrina III said..
Harks, this one should tick all your boxes
yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/currawong-30/254259
That's an excellent boat owned by a good looking old bloke but it does not meet the criteria of a slow boat with a long keel!
A well maintained boat, designed by an engineering professor, what more could you want? If I was ten years younger I would sell my current boat (designed by a teenager), and go for this Currawong.
Select to expand quotesouthace said..
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world? It's been done before, I couldn't think of anything worse than risking my life just to sail around the world in a small cheap boat. If it's really some dream you have had since childhood I would suggest you save you pennies and buy a good seaworthy 34ft + yacht and build up some experience before even thinking about circumnavigating the globe.
Really Southace ? Who are you to judge anyone on the year Or size of theIr boat That they are looking at?
The Compass 28 was designed by a person who put a lot of thought and know into his design of boat which over the years has proven itself countless times , not quite as much as the beautiful folkboat.It has its right of place in the sailing world , just as much as a yacht costing Millions of Dollars.
Just because it doesn't fit into your opinion of a yacht dose not give you the right to slang 70's boats , maybe you should put some of your own designs up on Seabreeze so we can have a look at your efforts .(Boats you have designed)
There are many reasons for someone to own a smaller older boat you don't have to be a beginner to own one.
Select to expand quoteZzzzzz said..southace said..
Honestly why are we getting a influx of people wanting to buy a cheap 70s small yacht and sail around the world? It's been done before, I couldn't think of anything worse than risking my life just to sail around the world in a small cheap boat. If it's really some dream you have had since childhood I would suggest you save you pennies and buy a good seaworthy 34ft + yacht and build up some experience before even thinking about circumnavigating the globe.
Really Southace ? Who are you to judge anyone on the year Or size of theIr boat That they are looking at?
The Compass 28 was designed by a person who put a lot of thought and know into his design of boat which over the years has proven itself countless times , not quite as much as the beautiful folkboat.It has its right of place in the sailing world , just as much as a yacht costing Millions of Dollars.
Just because it doesn't fit into your opinion of a yacht dose not give you the right to slang 70's boats , maybe you should put some of your own designs up on Seabreeze so we can have a look at your efforts .(Boats you have designed)
There are many reasons for someone to own a smaller older boat you don't have to be a beginner to own one.
Sorry, but have to agree with southace. The Compass 28 was never designed to cross oceans , but of course they could given the right weather. They lack displacement which is required when the going gets tough and not an overly strong build either. Currawong Ramona would get you safely anywhere, proven foul weather boat. A Folkboat would be more suited to an ocean crossing . Have a look for a Swanson 32 or 36, cracking yacht and cheap.
Select to expand quoteSorry, but have to agree with southace. The Compass 28 was never designed to cross oceans , but of course they could given the right weather. They lack displacement which is required when the going gets tough and not an overly strong build either. Currawong Ramona would get you safely anywhere, proven foul weather boat. A Folkboat would be more suited to an ocean crossing . Have a look for a Swanson 32 or 36, cracking yacht and cheap.
Now I'm intrigued: whatever other shortcomings the C28 has, I've never heard them described as having a "not overly strong build", and as a long-term owner, I'm pretty impressed with the structure. I'd hate to circumnavigate in mine for various reasons, but not for lack of build strength.
As for lack of displacement, they're among the heavier yachts of their size/type, with SA/D of around 14 and ballast ratio of 55%. Mine always felt stable out in Bass Strait, but of course another couple of tonnes of momentum would have been even better to punch through waves. If you meant that any 28 footer, not just a C28, is too small for a circumnavigation I'd agree 100%.
Cheers, Graeme
