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Force a mooring can withstand

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Created by Trek > 9 months ago, 31 Mar 2023
Trek
NSW, 1188 posts
31 Mar 2023 2:19PM
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Having done a bit of engine testing lately with boat idling in gear pushing against mooring I wondered if there is actually a standard of force a mooring must be able to stand.
I did a Google search but hard to find.
For example in a gale the drag force put on the mooring by a 35ft boat would be high.
Ideally I want to motor half throttle against the mooring but don't want to break it.
Any suggestions welcome.

FabulousPhill
VIC, 320 posts
31 Mar 2023 2:47PM
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Try a jetty.
A friend recommended running the engine hard against a jetty to give the engine work to do.

lydia
1927 posts
31 Mar 2023 12:59PM
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Old test was tie it to the jetty and run for an hour at WOT
If it did not overheat you are good to go

Trek
NSW, 1188 posts
31 Mar 2023 5:33PM
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Thanks for suggestions but that assumes motor can successfully get to nearest jetty, and the jetty owner doesn't mind, and if motor fails getting back is a bigger pain (been there, done that!).
My question is not how to load test motor but how are moorings drag rated. Or is it just a guess. I can't find much on Google at all.

woko
NSW, 1755 posts
31 Mar 2023 8:45PM
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It's a guess, no specs, no design criteria, ditto, zip. I have seen a NZ mooring spec that came in at 2t concrete with 32mm rio with a wide base and a nice pyramidish centre. But Aussie spec, contractors guesstimate is the rule. Seabed makes a massive difference, my old mooring was on rock and I could shorten the chain and steam into it and drag the block around ( the sprays big apple bow is handy for that sort of antic ) same apparatus in grey clay, immovable, the local contractors can't lift em so now they're making them lighter

lydia
1927 posts
1 Apr 2023 4:32AM
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Well a 50 ton survey mooring has 2 loco wheels and a carriage wheel with 50mm stud link chain as the first riser.
In Tasmania at least.
From memory concrete block lose 1/3 of the effective weight when submerged.
Some areas in SE Qld have screw pile only mandated and engineering there has been suspect.

Ramona
NSW, 7731 posts
1 Apr 2023 8:27AM
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Trek said..
Having done a bit of engine testing lately with boat idling in gear pushing against mooring I wondered if there is actually a standard of force a mooring must be able to stand.
I did a Google search but hard to find.
For example in a gale the drag force put on the mooring by a 35ft boat would be high.
Ideally I want to motor half throttle against the mooring but don't want to break it.
Any suggestions welcome.


If the bottom is soft and you have something like a tram wheel buried, I would suggest adding 20 metres of nylon to your riser and running the engine astern. If you have room add more rope!

UncleBob
NSW, 1299 posts
1 Apr 2023 9:16AM
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lydia said..
Well a 50 ton survey mooring has 2 loco wheels and a carriage wheel with 50mm stud link chain as the first riser.
In Tasmania at least.
From memory concrete block lose 1/3 of the effective weight when submerged.
Some areas in SE Qld have screw pile only mandated and engineering there has been suspect.


My mooring is a pair of carriage wheels, 4m ground chain of heavy stud link anchor chain (probably 38mm), 2m of 12mm riser chain, swivel and rope riser. Set into thick mud it has held my boat and a 50ft wayward steel cruiser in winds gusting to 55 knots. (the bastard owner and his insurance co never did pay a cent for the damage, said he couldn't afford to repair the damage to my boat, shortly thereafter he sold his freehold pub in Randwick for $30m. Still )

nswsailor
NSW, 1458 posts
2 Apr 2023 2:49PM
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Whatever you do don't fall fall for the trap of fulling a tire with concrete as a mooring block.

They tend to act like flying saucers and just skid across the bottom in a blow.

Once saw three vessels on the shore, complete with their mooring tackle, all with concrete fulled tires.

UncleBob
NSW, 1299 posts
2 Apr 2023 7:56PM
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nswsailor said..
Whatever you do don't fall fall for the trap of fulling a tire with concrete as a mooring block.

They tend to act like flying saucers and just skid across the bottom in a blow.

Once saw three vessels on the shore, complete with their mooring tackle, all with concrete fulled tires.


Eons ago I worked as a commercial diver and on a number of occasions went looking for these "mooring" blocks that had dragged in a blow, they appeared to roll across the bottom until the chain or swivel broke and released the boat. Always easy to find the "block", but why would you.

Ramona
NSW, 7731 posts
3 Apr 2023 8:09AM
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UncleBob said..

nswsailor said..
Whatever you do don't fall fall for the trap of fulling a tire with concrete as a mooring block.

They tend to act like flying saucers and just skid across the bottom in a blow.

Once saw three vessels on the shore, complete with their mooring tackle, all with concrete fulled tires.



Eons ago I worked as a commercial diver and on a number of occasions went looking for these "mooring" blocks that had dragged in a blow, they appeared to roll across the bottom until the chain or swivel broke and released the boat. Always easy to find the "block", but why would you.


Pretty much exactly the opposite of moorings with tram wheels. If you don't get down there with in two or three days the wheels bury and are never seen again!

Trek
NSW, 1188 posts
3 Apr 2023 12:37PM
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Thanks again for suggestions. I will try the going astern on mooring :-)

I get it about the concrete in a tyre. Sometime ago we were anchored in thick mud and were very pleased that the anchor didn't drag at all. Until after a day or so the boat moved a bit which we didnt worry about then took off which was a worry. Pulled anchor up and found it had pulled out and was a mud ball sliding across the bottom.



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