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Double handed division in this year's Hobart

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Created by julesmoto > 9 months ago, 7 Dec 2021
julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
7 Dec 2021 5:17PM
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Interested to hear that there is now a double handed class in this year's Hobart and also that there is a Northshore 38 from Adelaide "Inukshuk" competing. Not that NS 38s are any strangers to the Hobart including the 98 in which there were three all of which finished.

Ilenart
WA, 250 posts
7 Dec 2021 8:43PM
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julesmoto said..
Interested to hear that there is now a double handed class in this year's Hobart and also that there is a Northshore 38 from Adelaide "Inukshuk" competing. Not that NS 38s are any strangers to the Hobart including the 98 in which there were three all of which finished.


None of the Northshore 38's finished the 1998 race, they all retired.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sydney_to_Hobart_Yacht_Race

troubadour
NSW, 334 posts
8 Dec 2021 7:12AM
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I've finished two S2H on NS38 Tartan. Very capable vessel.

lydia
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8 Dec 2021 4:22AM
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julesmoto said..
Interested to hear that there is now a double handed class in this year's Hobart and also that there is a Northshore 38 from Adelaide "Inukshuk" competing. Not that NS 38s are any strangers to the Hobart including the 98 in which there were three all of which finished.


See what keel modifications they made.
NS 38 does not stability otherwise.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
8 Dec 2021 11:55AM
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None of the Northshore 38's finished the 1998 race, they all retired.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Sydney_to_Hobart_Yacht_Race



Sorry about that. Last time I believe an agents blurb without checking it.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
8 Dec 2021 11:57AM
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lydia said..





See what keel modifications they made.
NS 38 does not stability otherwise.



Yes I presume that they have the optional lead boot fitted. I will ask but I might not get a reply since they are at sea at the moment

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
8 Dec 2021 12:24PM
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lydia said





See what keel modifications they made.
NS 38 does not stability otherwise.





So this is the reply got to your query.

" ... here since Rob's at sea. None. Stability index 124.9 Comfortably over the S2H minimum cutoff .With all the other things to worry about for qualification, it was nice that the stability test was never one of them ."

I too was under the impression that the standard ns38 no longer complied with the stability requirements. Perhaps I was wrong or perhaps the two handed regulations are different which seems doubtful.

lydia
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8 Dec 2021 9:25AM
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julesmoto said..

lydia said..


julesmoto said..
Interested to hear that there is now a double handed class in this year's Hobart and also that there is a Northshore 38 from Adelaide "Inukshuk" competing. Not that NS 38s are any strangers to the Hobart including the 98 in which there were three all of which finished.




See what keel modifications they made.
NS 38 does not stability otherwise.



Yes I presume that they have the optional lead boot fitted. I will ask but I might not get a reply since they are at sea at the moment


Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
8 Dec 2021 1:17PM
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lydia said..

Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe



Another North Shore 38 owner who apparently knows that their draught is not the standard 1.84 replied "...they have a 2m draught points to the 8inch boot has been added as many of the 38's have."

sydchris
NSW, 387 posts
8 Dec 2021 3:12PM
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lydia said..

Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe





Another North Shore 38 owner who apparently knows that their draught is not the standard 1.84 replied "...they have a 2m draught points to the 8inch boot has been added as many of the 38's have."



Interesting the RSHYR page shows the draft as 2.0m but their IRC certificate shows it as 1.89m and the ORCI as 1.941m - must be a rounding error

Madmouse
427 posts
8 Dec 2021 3:13PM
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There is some impressive footage of NS38 Sienna on this you tube about the 98 hobart. She is standing by Stand Aside.



21 minute mark.

I hope this footage doesnt bring back some terrible memories for some people.

lydia
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8 Dec 2021 3:32PM
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sydchris said..

julesmoto said..



lydia said..

Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe






Another North Shore 38 owner who apparently knows that their draught is not the standard 1.84 replied "...they have a 2m draught points to the 8inch boot has been added as many of the 38's have."




Interesting the RSHYR page shows the draft as 2.0m but their IRC certificate shows it as 1.89m and the ORCI as 1.941m - must be a rounding error


Draft measurements are most difficult to take and most inaccurate
Even Sydney 38 draft measurements are all over the place

All@Sea
TAS, 233 posts
8 Dec 2021 10:36PM
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Its a 2 handed race to Hobart coinciding with the RS2H, Participants aren't eligible for the win. May as well cruise a fleet of multihulls down at the same time and award prizes for fastest times.

boty
QLD, 685 posts
9 Dec 2021 7:47AM
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lydia said..

sydchris said..


julesmoto said..




lydia said..

Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe







Another North Shore 38 owner who apparently knows that their draught is not the standard 1.84 replied "...they have a 2m draught points to the 8inch boot has been added as many of the 38's have."





Interesting the RSHYR page shows the draft as 2.0m but their IRC certificate shows it as 1.89m and the ORCI as 1.941m - must be a rounding error



Draft measurements are most difficult to take and most inaccurate
Even Sydney 38 draft measurements are all over the place


more than likely due to bad measuring our mainsail hoist height was out by 600 mm plus water lines wrong

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
9 Dec 2021 9:50AM
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All@Sea said..
Its a 2 handed race to Hobart coinciding with the RS2H, Participants aren't eligible for the win. May as well cruise a fleet of multihulls down at the same time and award prizes for fastest times.


Damn site harder to go down with only two on board and highly unlikely to take out fastest times so seems totally Petty to actually disqualify them. Maybe the addition of a class was an attempt to address a lack of participants in light of covid x

lydia
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9 Dec 2021 10:23AM
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boty said..

lydia said..


sydchris said..



julesmoto said..





lydia said..

Pretty sure you need more that the standard shoe








Another North Shore 38 owner who apparently knows that their draught is not the standard 1.84 replied "...they have a 2m draught points to the 8inch boot has been added as many of the 38's have."






Interesting the RSHYR page shows the draft as 2.0m but their IRC certificate shows it as 1.89m and the ORCI as 1.941m - must be a rounding error




Draft measurements are most difficult to take and most inaccurate
Even Sydney 38 draft measurements are all over the place



more than likely due to bad measuring our mainsail hoist height was out by 600 mm plus water lines wrong


Sorry should have been more clear, just poor measurement

Perry500
NSW, 66 posts
9 Dec 2021 3:38PM
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Madmouse said..
There is some impressive footage of NS38 Sienna on this you tube about the 98 hobart. She is standing by Stand Aside.



21 minute mark.

I hope this footage doesnt bring back some terrible memories for some people.


Very courageous crew on Sienna, true sailors , awesome seamanship

tarquin1
954 posts
9 Dec 2021 2:20PM
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Double handed racing is getting more and more popular in Europe. There are new races and designs coming out every year. As the Hobart is the biggest offshore race down there it was only a matter of time.
There was a lot of arguing about them using autopilots so they should not be eligible for the overall win, or even be allowed. I guess they lost.
There was the largest number ever of double handed boats in the Fastnet last time.
It has been discussed already on here I think.
There is a lot of arguing going on and I think that's why there are so many new races for the double handed class in Europe.
www.sail-world.com/news/236326/Rolex-Fastnet-Race-doublehanding-goes-supernova

Kinora
VIC, 187 posts
9 Dec 2021 10:21PM
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Madmouse said..
There is some impressive footage of NS38 Sienna on this you tube about the 98 hobart. She is standing by Stand Aside.



21 minute mark.

I hope this footage doesnt bring back some terrible memories for some people.


Thanks for posting, Madmouse. I had not seen that particular account. I think I will get the last words spoken in the documentary inscribed on a plaque and have this mounted on the bulkhead.

K.

julesmoto
NSW, 1569 posts
9 Dec 2021 10:42PM
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Kinora said..

Madmouse said..
There is some impressive footage of NS38 Sienna on this you tube about the 98 hobart. She is standing by Stand Aside.



21 minute mark.

I hope this footage doesnt bring back some terrible memories for some people.



Thanks for posting, Madmouse. I had not seen that particular account. I think I will get the last words spoken in the documentary inscribed on a plaque and have this mounted on the bulkhead.

K.


Yes great quote and spoken by a man who did his utmost to design boats that were very strong and have truly stood the test of time.



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