Hey Guys,

Just mentioning the new monohull trailer sailor from Schionning Designs, our first ever mono design! She is 31ft with plenty of accomodation including a queen and a double, galley, saloon for 6 and spacious cockpit. Really awesome new design, if you've any interest its worth a look!

www.schionningdesigns.com.au

Below is a few words from Jeff (designer):

The Troublemaker 950 is designed to compete with the new 30 to 32 foot mono revolution that is happening at present, but with some very unique features that make her stand out from the crowd. Once you are used to the benefits enjoyed by Multihulls such as speed, shallow draft plus the ability to dry out on secluded beaches in the Islands, a (normal) mono just does not cut it. OK you still have the heeling but here we are aiming for a very stiff boat keeping the heel angles as low as possible. The un-stayed carbon masts help tremendously, first the low weight aloft plus having two masts keeps the centre of effort low, reducing the lever arm. The two masts are light making it easy for one person to lower them easily the support tubes carry the boom gooseneck allowing the boom and sails to remain in place when packing up. She has the huge advantage of trail-ability with almost half the weight of her competitors. Power to weight ratios are high making her very fast, she can be beached anywhere or walked into any shallow area drawing only 200mm with keel and rudders lifted, accommodation is equal to or better than her competitors so she's hard to go past in this size range. And did I tell you, you can build her yourself very easily from a pre-cut high tech composite kit for half the price or better.


Hope you like it! :)


Cheers.

interesting , T/S back in fashion , i,m thinking the trailer would be about the same as a nolex 30 or farr 30 . but if weight is down , trailer would be lighter than those.

still very big boat to tow though .

I have been a Noelex 30 enthusiast for more than 20 years and owner for 15. I think that there is definately a place for a high performance large volume trailable boat. Presently I am looking to upsize to a high performance live aboard cruiser. Would love a carbon fibre rig and retractable keel in 45 -50ft length.
WRG to this 31 footer I believe that the design would have more appeal if you stuck a retractable bulb keel similar to the N30 and make it a stiff boat. Ideally I would go for a canting retractable keel if that could be engineered. Plus I would go for a conventional ie large main and self tacking jib rig although with carbon spars and rigging. The boat has to be very flexible as in high performance if racing but ability to carry a lot of weight and managed to be short handed while still having a nice sailing performance while cruising with your wife.
The N30 does a pretty good job at above. It must be possible to improve on that with a 30 year later design. However would suggest that you do consult with N30 owners to see what suggestions are for improvements.

hey Landyacht, your trailer's on the wrong way!

Sorry Ben, I'd still keep saving for one of your cats before taking on the mono.

If I was going to go back to a mono, how about a 30' is daysailor more along the Wally style, or perhaps something like an updated Dragon with overhangs.

I know its not what you'd be aiming for, but any renderings of the boat with conventional rig?

Hey guys,

Sorry for my late reply! I mistakenly thought the forum emailed me when I received a reply to my thread!

Thanks for all the feedback, its very interesting to know what you guys think, especially as we are coming from a catamaran market. Things are very different on the other side of the fence!

I will address each post in sequence...

Gizmo: The Troublemaker will be towed with any of the larger 4WDs, as she really isn't going to be as heavy as other yachts in this size range. Using the very light and strong composite construction that has been so successful in our catamaran designs and kits, the Troublemaker won't be too heavy for reasonably easy towing. Jeff is currently thinking that in those states with towing restrictions such as 2.5 width (length doesn't seem to be an issue - law wise) the boat could be put onto some cradles on the trailer and then rolled slightly onto an angle to fit into the width thats required. Sounds radical, but would be relatively easy to achieve with some thought.

SandS: Yes you're right, it would be the same and she would be lighter. But at the end of the day, you're still towing a 31ft yacht, you can't escape that!

Cisco: This is a brand new design, so naturally nothing on the water yet. I understand well that to buy something, people want to see it floating and sailing, they want to walk inside it and get the feel. This will be soon, as we have a few builders wanting to be the first to get one out, and therefore go into semi-production depending on orders. I think she could really take off, and with a few of them out there - could be some fun racing! As far as info, everything we have is on our website (www.schionningdesigns.com.au), the study plans available for download give more detailed info. Feel free to call our office also, and have a chat to Jeff.

Frant: Don't lose hope, there is a bigger version coming! We are actually planning a Troublemaker range, with 3 or 4 boats altogether. The 9500 is just testing the water but we're very enthusiastic to get some bigger sisters out there. They would also be in kit form and able to be built at home. As far as stiffness, you'd have trouble finding anything stiffer.

landyacht: She will have two mains for most of her sailing and then a screecher for off the wind. No need for any other complications, we reckon sailing should be simple and fun.

Crustysailor: Understandable! As for a conventional rig, there will be renders coming soon. We have to be realistic that twin unstayed carbon rigs aren't going to be for everyone, and a conventional rig and outboard option will be available.

Thanks everyone for the feedback, any other questions don't hesitate to contact us or just reply here (I will respond in a timely manner I swear!).


Cheers!


Ben.

Just one minor point, Ben.

To some people, the line "once you are used to the benefits enjoyed by Multihulls such as speed, shallow draft plus the ability to dry out on secluded beaches in the Islands, a (normal) mono just does not cut it" may put some teeth on edge - it does with me, and I come from a family that's been into multis for three generations, across a range of cats and tris from 16 to 38 feet so am well aware of the advantages of multis.

Multis are fantastic, but monos do some things better for many people, which is why so many open-minded, extremely intelligent and very experienced people prefer them. For example, around Sydney shallow draft is often rrelevant and stuff like having interior space with headroom (a significant mono advantage in smaller sizes) is more important for most people. So monos DO cut it in many ways.

It would be nice to get rid of the mono/multi rivalry and just admit that each type is fantastic in different ways, without the point scoring.

Hey all,

Pacemaker - the kit price in Aussie dollars is AUD$35,680.00 inc GST. This includes the materials to get the boat to a faired shell, with furniture in and a full set of construction plans. The kit is fully pre-cut by CNC router and is shipped flat-packed to you. A finished price is going to be tough as it depends so heavily on what level of finish and what options you are going to go for.

Chris - I think you're right, and I will take that on board. Having grown up surrounded by multihull nuts, I personally have a certain viewpoint but I don't think monohulls would outnumber multis so severely if they didn't have some appeal. Plus the fact that we designed one so they must be alright. ;)

Landyacht - Forgive me! If you had something in mind it could easily be included, one of the perks of building yourself or having one built - its exactly what you want! :)


Cheers guys.

BenSchionnin said...


Hey all,

Pacemaker - the kit price in Aussie dollars is AUD$35,680.00 inc GST. This includes the materials to get the boat to a faired shell, with furniture in and a full set of construction plans. The kit is fully pre-cut by CNC router and is shipped flat-packed to you. A finished price is going to be tough as it depends so heavily on what level of finish and what options you are going to go for.

Chris - I think you're right, and I will take that on board. Having grown up surrounded by multihull nuts, I personally have a certain viewpoint but I don't think monohulls would outnumber multis so severely if they didn't have some appeal. Plus the fact that we designed one so they must be alright. ;)

Landyacht - Forgive me! If you had something in mind it could easily be included, one of the perks of building yourself or having one built - its exactly what you want! :)


Cheers guys.

Hi Ben, and many thanks for taking my post in such a positive manner (as it was meant to be).

Does anyone know of any boats being built privatly around Geelong/Melb?

Ben have you got anything hapenning around these parts?

Part of me wants to volunteer some slave labor to satisfy long forgotten dreams of being a boatbuilder.....

Crusty, you must be crazy... I think a few days covered in fibreglass might remind you why you forgot about it in the first place! If you really want to give a hand to someone, we have quite a few around that area building our cats. One I know personally and he is a really nice guy, and after work you may be force-fed bourbon... :D

If you'd like some contact details, shoot through an email to info@schionningdesigns.com.au and we can supply them.

Cheers.

Never too old! I've received your email and I will send off some details today. Good luck.