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heccles
heccles
WA
30 posts
WA, 30 posts
20 Dec 2007 12:00am
may be the sport needs small yachts to get the young ones into clubs because of cost .i know about blowkarts but some parents just cannot pay the price they are asking for them,so a simple and cheap to build cl 6 might be what is needed. hey we all have to start some where, food for thought
dave webster
dave webster
QLD
52 posts
QLD, 52 posts
21 Dec 2007 6:57pm
have to agree with Heccles , it takes time, i nhave spent a lot of time on this project, and funds, im very close to what i want. under the rules a they stand, so lets get going.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
22 Dec 2007 9:54pm
the minis we are building in Lake lefroy are being built quite cheap. we are using materials availabe at hardware stores or common steel mechants wherever possible. All the minis except 1 are usingrecycled sailboard sails, that we have recut and resewn here in town. all the masts e are usingare recycled sailboard gear. much of it has been donated by sailboarder and kiters here in WA. this is the gear we use for experiments and getting beginers going.
the stuff we have bought we recut and sell to sailors who are getting the itch to go faster. this year only 2 masts have broken,so we are getting better at what we do. The simplest design we have sailingat the moment can be seen in the photo section. under the heading. MIni EXPLORER. launched. this yacht was the first seat out of the mould and cost $1500. due to the $1000 sail. .The design suits sailors from about 13 yr .old onwards..
Heccles sailed one last september so he can give you an idea of how they sail.
Sail wheelbase as a blokart but a bit heavier. all axles pull out and pack up .
2 of these yachts have just headed to Queenslandwith a bloke by the name of wayne Forbes. not a bad sailor. his yacht is well set up and should give a BLOKART a run if he gets a chance . I will let him knowto visit the site more regularly
bazl
bazl
WA
704 posts
WA, 704 posts
22 Dec 2007 10:56pm
Interesting concept Paul, is the seat a short version from the class 5/promo or is it from a separate mould?
heccles
heccles
WA
30 posts
WA, 30 posts
22 Dec 2007 10:59pm
you must be dreaming
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
23 Dec 2007 12:31am
Here you go, we can post pictures in the threads now

Must admit I prefer the solid seat over the blowkart seat for protection against rear impact. Love to see them race though.

Also very keen to see Dave Websters new one!!

stevo bbb
stevo bbb
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
23 Dec 2007 3:48am
I have to agree with Hills on his comment about rear end impacts,a few guys i know have had excursions into the rocks which left them feeling a bit vulnerable but luckily without injury.I geuss the fabric seat is a must if we want to fold our karts up into a bag,i personally have had no problems.I love the look of the solid body and the whole set-up looks really neat.A few guys in town have built their own karts,one is very similar to a blo-kart(stainless) but with a slightly larger sail and different mast while the other is a totally home-designed two-seater(alloy) with sailboard sail and mast,very fast but nowhere near as manouverable as a blo-kart.Just wondering why the smaller karts are foot steer as i find i like to brace my feet against the footrest when going into corners and with a blo-kart only a finger or two of one hand are needed on the steering .Would love to compete against some in my blo-kart at some stage.Cost certainly is a factor when considering buying or building but second hand blo-karts are available with some great buys on e-bay from what i've heard as the new price has dropped considerably and you are puchasing a known performer. regards stevo
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
23 Dec 2007 9:42am
I've never used a blo-kart so I can't compare the 2. Does it ever get difficult sheeting in the main at the same time as negotiating a turn?

I have found the foot steering very easy to control and it leaves both hands free to contol the sail. You don't have to brace yourself as the solid seat holds you on place, like a bucket seat.

I hope someone brings a blokart out to Pt Gawler one day. I'll happily let them have a go in my class 5 if I can have a go in theirs.

Yeah, being able to pack them away into a car boot would be great though!
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
23 Dec 2007 8:02pm
I have always sailed with foot steering and find that hand steering is giving the hands too much to do. in a yacht this size foot steering becomes something you dont even notice. the steering on the new mini is different from the class 5's in that your feet go up and down . The idea came from a blokart owner in Esperance who only has one hand and it feels quite natural( the steering,not the new hand).
The seat came about when the plug for the PROMO seat survivedthe mould making process. We recut the sides and made the next mould as a mini seat.
I watched a blokart hit a 6" concrete curb and I wouldnt like to repeat his experience.
Bill Finch recently recieved my last chassis and seat in Adelaide. This is the yacht that Heccles described "a credit to you Paul".. I sent a sail in the post this week so he will have the yacht out sailing by late January.
I will let him know there is interest in trying it out.

I too am waiting to see the PHEONIX. Its always good to see tne sport moving forward.
stevo bbb
stevo bbb
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
24 Dec 2007 2:07am
Hills,sheeting the main while turning does'nt seem to be a problem as the steering in a properly set-up and maintained kart is extremely light.I control the sheet with my right hand while clamping it off with the thumb of my left hand against the grip,steering with the left as well.A cam-cleat is also allowed under blo-kart rules once in the performance class but this is really only an advantage on long hauls,generally not in turns,mine is fitted between the handgrips.One of the local guys has modified his kart so that he has both hand and foot steering.With the blo-kart seat it also allows a certain amount of movement to each side,great for counterbalancing.I personally can't wait to experience some different yachts and i think the history of the different classes is fantastic!I have run a few curbs myself,but luckily am still intact! stevo
hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
24 Dec 2007 10:17am
Yeah, I'm keen to try one. For me it was line ball whether I bought a Blokart or build a class 5. I even spoke to someone on ebay about transport costs to get their blokart down to me. The things that swayed me towards a class 5 (given that there were no class 6's available at the time) was:

1. it was about $500 cheaper than a secondhand blokart (class 6's will be even cheaper)
2. I had just bought a new arc welder and I was itching to use it.
3. David Rose is a really good source of parts and info (he ended up building a fair percentage of it for me )
4. There is a club at Pt Gawler I can sail class 5's with.

Really the only downsides are I can't use a shadow and transporting it. But that said the club has a 2 seater I can take the kids out on and now I have a trailer. When my lads are a bit onlder I think I'll get/make them a class 6 to get them into the sport. (probably around the time I get a Standart )
stevo bbb
stevo bbb
QLD
56 posts
QLD, 56 posts
25 Dec 2007 2:59am
I have to admit the first "landyachts " i saw in action and had a sail of myself were blokarts a couple of years ago(instant addict),apart from occasional glimpses of large gangly craft on the beach 100 years ago when i was young'un.I toyed with the idea of making my own version of a blokart but felt it would be hard to match it's quality and mainly it's portablity.This was also before i really explored the internet and saw the range of yachts out there!There is also the definite advantage to being part of the worldwide blokart family,with one design racing worldwide and the ability to take your own kart when travelling overseas with an instant group of friends where ever you go!.I'm sure this is also the case with all forms of landyachting,apart from the taking your own kart bit .I still believe blo-karts are more suited to this area with our lack of real space to sail,for a blokart a 300m leg is enough to get up to top speed on any given day.We often set short courses of no longer than 50m end to end and have some real wheel to wheel speedway racing,with plenty of contact and lots of laughing.Also all beach access is down walking tracks,difficult for larger craft!Our little blo-karts are managing to stir up enough trouble as it is with the local fun-police getting hot under the collar.As far as the kid's go they are more than capable of sailing a blo-kart themselves when under 10yrs, it is just a matter of ensuring an appropriate sized sail is up,some of the kids up here are real speed demons and are constantly cruising on two wheels,their light weight can be a real advantage,little buggers!As far as the STANDARTS go ,how sexy are they!!?what a fantastic design,beautiful! regards stevo bbb.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
28 Dec 2007 4:47pm
hills said...
[Really the only downsides are I can't use a shadow and transporting it. But that said the club has a 2 seater I can take the kids out on and now I have a trailer. When my lads are a bit onlder I think I'll get/make them a class 6 to get them into the sport. (probably around the time I get a Standart )
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hwy not build a simple wooden box that clamps to the rear axle,out of ply . small back rest and cushion. clamp or bolt to te side of your glass seat at the front. fit a seat belt and take them sailing. unbolt to race.

landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
28 Dec 2007 4:52pm
stevo bbb said...
.I personally can't wait to experience some different yachts and i think the history of the different classes is fantastic!I have run a few curbs myself,but luckily am still intact! stevo
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glad all my history lessons are being read. Its hurting my head to remember half of it. I do believe you are slowly begining to metamorphose into a new species..... Landsailus Australis SUBSPECIES Blokartis

hills
hills
SA
1622 posts
SA, 1622 posts
28 Dec 2007 11:15pm
landyacht said...

hwy not build a simple wooden box that clamps to the rear axle,out of ply . small back rest and cushion. clamp or bolt to te side of your glass seat at the front. fit a seat belt and take them sailing. unbolt to race.





Yeah I considered that... until I found out how bloody fast class 5's go. I'd hate to think what it would be like on the back during a power slide.

Luckily the club has a 2 seater I can use to take the boys out.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
29 Dec 2007 6:00pm
on the 3 seater we fitted a 3 point seatbelt which you cant fall out of. let your pasenger sit up a bit on the backrest with a cushion. also great on a big sail to carry your lunch
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