Welcome to NALSA members, I have noticed on the NALSA forum that there is a lot of chat about the Mini5.6 and the rules and construction.
Its good to see that this class is going fully international with it being raced in the upcoming US championships.

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The mast angle of the LLMini is 10 degree......

The lay over steering is set up to be similar to a motorbike or pushbike when turning at motion.
Layover steering is often smoother in turns at speed as it doesn't seem to jump like the older style of steering (Manta style)

Please join in.... it can be quite addictive at times.
Post lots of pictures of your build, its good to see what others around the world are doing.

Lay over steering takes minimal foot movement and when tight enough is almost set and forget

Clem I looked at your pictures of the mini. Nice design! Do you notice any rear wheel alignment issues with the skis? What size sails are you using?
Thanks
John

US772 said...
Clem I looked at your pictures of the mini. Nice design! Do you notice any rear wheel alignment issues with the skis? What size sails are you using?
Thanks
John

Hi John, Yes there were multiple alignment issue with the Y ski setup. Still not sure if I have resolved that mystery yet. I found it tended to toe in with my static test leaning on the mast standing on the yacht with straight edges strapped to the wheels; which was the opposite to what I was expecting. To counteract the toe in effect I had to move the stub axles forward ??, which again was the opposite to what I expected! The yacht seems to track ok when sailed but don't really have anything to compare it with. I only have a 3m sq sail on it at the moment but hope to sew up a 4sq over the summer if I find time. Sailed it first time for ages a couple of days ago on our beach in way less than 10knts and it powered up really well. Could not fault the tacking. Just needed more sail area and more ballast!!

Thanks Clem for info on your kart, looks great. Thanks to others for input on layover as well. To all: what about canted rear wheels, is there a benifit as compared to vertical with the 4.00x8 type wheels. Allen

I'm trying to get my head around, ( Landyachts ) last post (4) did you mean (40) I don't understand help this febel ole man out..

Sorry I thought he was takeing about the layover steering, has anyone had trouble with the mini's layover steering contributing to the inability to stir off down wind in a sever hike? I wondering if that is the very reason, airtrack used the hook steering on the class 5. with that steering the rear wheel axis can be nearly virtical and it will recover..

US306 said...
Sorry I thought he was takeing about the layover steering, has anyone had trouble with the mini's layover steering contributing to the inability to stir off down wind in a sever hike? I wondering if that is the very reason, airtrack used the hook steering on the class 5. with that steering the rear wheel axis can be nearly virtical and it will recover..

a layover steering set up, should make it easier to layoff downwind. I would suggest looking at the angle of the steering head . best for the LLM is 30degree off horizontal. the contact point of the pivot to the ground should match the contact point of the tyre. . sailing off the wind on 2 wheels should then be smooth. if the steering head is steeper the set up will start to tend towards wanting to lock up ,resulting in tripping over.
I have seen a few bad set ups.(even built some) If the set up needs 2 solid push rods to keep it working then on a yacht this small i would take it as a bad sign,
set up properly the LLM steering in the drawings can be sailed with 1 foot

I wonder if the problem with the promo was something other than the angle.
if you have a metal to metal bush on the steering head it would tighten up in that situation. All mine have had a nylon bush, All the European yachts Ive seen have a set of bearings.
I would have expected the steeper head to be twitchy when on 2 wheels. I beleive you guys call it squirrely

Try a lil bit of oil on da bearing