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US772
US772
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12 Oct 2012 4:06am
Due to the success of the mini class in this years Worlds in France the US plans to include the mini class at the upcoming Worlds. Would any of you consider coming to compete?
Gizmo
Gizmo
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12 Oct 2012 9:45am
Great decision......

And for those into Mini 5.6m Land yachts have a look at the face-book site.
www.facebook.com/
IPKSA
IPKSA
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177 posts
12 Oct 2012 7:40am
Right on ............
sabydent
sabydent
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360 posts
12 Oct 2012 4:12pm
I have been considering it. Do they take rookies?
desertyank
desertyank
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1264 posts
12 Oct 2012 11:55pm
I thought I recognized those US numbers




Love your videos and yachts....

John

Gizmo
Gizmo
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SA, 2865 posts
13 Oct 2012 12:57pm
sabydent said...
I have been considering it. Do they take rookies?


You would learn more from an event like that than years sailing by yourself.
US772
US772
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332 posts
13 Oct 2012 11:04am
sabydent said...
I have been considering it. Do they take rookies?


You bet.
To me meeting people from around the world that share your same passion is half the fun

Here is a little vid I put together to help promote the event -

aus230
aus230
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WA, 1660 posts
13 Oct 2012 11:05am
Dam Dam Dam I want one of those class4. Oh well I can dream I guess
US772
US772
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332 posts
13 Oct 2012 11:11am
desertyank said...
I thought I recognized those US numbers




Love your videos and yachts....

John






Thanks Desert Yank

- I'm building a class 2 boat for the Worlds. I'm starting construction on the wing tomorrow.
hills
hills
SA
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13 Oct 2012 6:20pm
WOW!!! That looks very impressive!!

Please keep us updated on your progress.
aus230
aus230
WA
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13 Oct 2012 6:22pm
Hey Phil
Good to see you back where have you been.
Cheers
Vic
hills
hills
SA
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13 Oct 2012 11:00pm
Cheers Vic, I'm always lurking around.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
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14 Oct 2012 12:08am
What'r yu gunna do?? Launch it, Fly it Sail it or just make it look purty??
Ron

PS; Even Richard Branson (Virgin Galactic) will be envious..
Chook2
Chook2
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13 Oct 2012 9:35pm
That is seriously sleek!!!!! Love it, 772
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
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17 Oct 2012 11:16am

absolute full of envy....its near enough what my dooddlings are, great EYH !

but do tell what type of timber is being used for the snout and rear axle

It's very traditional and extremly well made , by an artisan.. no doubt
US772
US772
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332 posts
17 Oct 2012 10:41am
the wood is clear fir laminated up in thickness
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
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17 Oct 2012 2:11pm

US772, language out here a bit different, so i take it that it is a Fir tree, which i think we say Fur, or more commonly a christmas type tree, are you in timber? sorry lumber over there. So how many laminates, to what thickness 50mm, i mean 2inches or better?
would you have the botanical name for tree. Did you do all the laminatin youself or got it at a lumberyard. Sorry to be an inquisitive bugger, but it is very interesting and probably there are others learning also.......
Nikrum
Nikrum
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TAS, 1972 posts
17 Oct 2012 2:43pm
Now there is a very interesting point.

Why Fir???

Were I to have been the builder, starting from SCRATCH, I would have seriously looked at Ash/Tassie Oak or perhaps If I could have laid my hands Hickory. The weight would not of amounted to much extra in that instance.. Strong and Flexible. I would also think that there are a few others that would be highly usable, Spruce for instance (Air Craft Building Material). ????
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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17 Oct 2012 9:23pm
gibberjoe said...

US772, language out here a bit different, so i take it that it is a Fir tree, which i think we say Fur, or more commonly a christmas type tree, are you in timber? sorry lumber over there. So how many laminates, to what thickness 50mm, i mean 2inches or better?
would you have the botanical name for tree. Did you do all the laminatin youself or got it at a lumberyard. Sorry to be an inquisitive bugger, but it is very interesting and probably there are others learning also.......


could well be douglas fir( you would call it oregon pine)
aus230
aus230
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17 Oct 2012 9:55pm
Tazzy oak should do they make bows out of the stuff
VindisDad
VindisDad
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18 Oct 2012 7:58pm
I thought tassie oak was rather short grained & unsuitable for axles.
Some of the better axles I've made have been of tropical timber ie 'meranti'. The best of the lot was ramin (same as school rulers used to be made of) - probably the best I've ever seen, but you can't buy it now.
The tropical timbers have an almost continous grain structure.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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18 Oct 2012 7:59pm
aus230 said...
Tazzy oak should do they make bows out of the stuff


the trouble is that it becomes tassy oak when it gets to a bunning store, its a variety of eucalypt species before that, but your right, regular 19mm planks laminate well, but make sure the laminating surface is rough , not smooth, even better is Ramin, maybe a combination of tassie oak on the bottom for tension and maranti ,or even a GOOD piece of pine, NZ red pine,huon pine,king billy,or hoop pine would all surfice on top for compression
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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18 Oct 2012 8:09pm
heres the test for a good plank that I use.
when you find the plank stack, get 2 blocks about 75mm high( 1 brick) and place them on the ground at the distance your axle/spar will be. if longer than 2m perhaps go to 150mm.
place plank on blocks,stand in the middle and bounceif the plank occilates alot then its probably too springy, if it deadens straightawy or doesnt flex, too stiff, but if it springs a few times ,deadening after 1 or 2 springs ,probably just right, try it with 2 or 3 laminations for a bigger longer plank.
if the plank cracks or splinters then it was never going to be any good, so put it back in the stack. avoid knotty or split wood
when the staff ask what you are doing tell them you are testing the wood for suitability, explain the "science"and keep doing it
US772
US772
332 posts
332 posts
19 Oct 2012 12:31am
In the US sitka spruce is the king for construction purposes. Its the lightest wood for its strength and excellent bending characteristics. Its a conifer tree (has needles) found on the NW coast and mainly in Canada and Alaska. The only problem is that it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I use clear fir ( also a conifer tree) because I there is a saw mill near where I live. I can buy the Fir fairly reasonable. The only thing is they only sell it in 16' / 4877 mm lengths. the last 2 boats I've made have axles 18' to 21.2' wide. I have to scarf the wood to make it longer. It take more time but I have more time than money.I laminate the axles using thickened epoxy. The 18' plank has 4 lamination's and the 21.2 has 5 lamination's of 3/4''/19mm thick stock. If I build a mini I will use wood for the axle. I heard some use snow ski's. In the iceboating world the rule of flex is 1'' of deflection/ 100lbs. 25.4mm to 45.36

Nikrum
Nikrum
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TAS, 1972 posts
19 Oct 2012 9:08am
Thanks US772. A great insight into the Axle Construction. Typical of you Yanks, very Anal when it comes to finish. Really I can't understand why the American economy is in such dire straights?? Anyone of you Northerners that is a member of this forum seems to be into competing with factories for finish More power to you, I haven't got the patients.

Miranti Yuk! I wouldn't trust that stuff, it is only suited to Architraves and trims. It gives very little warning like Carbon Fiber it either has integrity or it doesn't. I would prefer something that at least gives some warning that it is about to finish up around your Ears.

Tassie Oak.. Sure it is Ash and when properly milled has a good long straight grain. As was mentioned in a prior post, it is used Bow Making. Thanks us772 Spruce is one that I had in mind and if I am correct it was used in the making of early Wood and Canvas Aircraft.

Ron
US772
US772
332 posts
332 posts
19 Oct 2012 10:49am
Yep it's used in aircraft. The Spruce Goose may be the most famous. It's also used in making musical instruments as well. I have used Poplar wood too with ash lamination's
on the out side.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
19 Oct 2012 4:26pm
Ha! That Bloody thing was all Engines and very little of anything else?? Hughes wasn't it? Someone like that anyway.
Ron
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sn
WA
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sn sn
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19 Oct 2012 2:19pm
Wandering slightly off topic- the spruce goose being made of timber wasnt Howard Hughs choice, he wanted to use aluminium alloy, but the US govt said no- he had to use non-strategic materials.
Hughes knew it would be a tough ask to put the goose in the air- but he was never one to admit defeat easily.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
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19 Oct 2012 6:12pm
US772 said...
In the US sitka spruce is the king for construction purposes. Its the lightest wood for its strength and excellent bending characteristics. Its a conifer tree (has needles) found on the NW coast and mainly in Canada and Alaska. The only problem is that it is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
I use clear fir ( also a conifer tree) because I there is a saw mill near where I live. I can buy the Fir fairly reasonable. The only thing is they only sell it in 16' / 4877 mm lengths. the last 2 boats I've made have axles 18' to 21.2' wide. I have to scarf the wood to make it longer. It take more time but I have more time than money.I laminate the axles using thickened epoxy. The 18' plank has 4 lamination's and the 21.2 has 5 lamination's of 3/4''/19mm thick stock. If I build a mini I will use wood for the axle. I heard some use snow ski's. In the iceboating world the rule of flex is 1'' of deflection/ 100lbs. 25.4mm to 45.36


on our minis weve been using a tassie oak plank 190mm widex19mm thick and 1200mm long .the only glassing is a 50mm wrap of tape around the ends,and around the axle where the attachments are.
the flex is just nice, it flexes without occilating

US772
US772
332 posts
332 posts
30 Oct 2012 12:11am
Some video a while back that my nephew took . -
US772
US772
332 posts
332 posts
7 Dec 2012 5:04am
NALSA is working on logistic and a specific web page for the up coming event.

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