Hi there,

FISLY Mini Yachts will be one of the racing Class adopted in Italy. Some sailors here are starting to build or modify their yacht to fit in.

I wish to know:
- how to apply the 5.60 rule, if there's a precise way for measurement
- is a Seagull Standart' like mast (circular mast plus cambers in the zip pocket) allowed? Someone think about a wing section only looking at a Class 2 or 3 yacht...

I've tried to summarize MY rules here ruotenelvento.wordpress.com/2011/06/10/che-cose-un-miniyacht/ I hope I got it right, any suggestion very welcome.

Thank you

Cheers - Enrico

Thank you Gizmo

I completely missed that thread . I've something to read now

Enrico

Ok, wing section refers to mast AND sail.

During measurement pilot must be seated in the yacht?

Everything that looks so easy among friends pervaded with a sound sportmanship spirit could be different if you need to win a World Championship to promote the sales of your production yacht. Here in Italy if you say "standard wheel" you're referring to a 4.80/4.00 - 8, no doubt. Four pages of the other post taught me that a Mini with 16" bmx wheels fits the rule.

Please tell me if I've to post here or in HOW DO YOU INTERPRET THE NEW RULE

Cheers - Enrico

Gizmo said...

The measurement with the pilot seated, the reason is that due to chassis flex the back wheels might spread a little changing the measurement. And if you wanted to make a production yacht to fit the class this would needed to be taken into account.

It seems the other thread has expired for new posts, you might as well continue here or start another thread for the Mini Class.

I dont recall any mention of the pilot in the FISLY mini rules, Gizmo.
is this your personal interpretation ,or have I missed something.
the 5.6m rope rule is simply a 5.6m loop of rope on the ground within which all the wheels must fit. they were pretty clear on that

What is the largest sail area you can legally have for a mini???
Is there a mast height requirement?

Or is it really that simple: inside the noted wheel measurements, a seat belt and go for it.

any sail size chook, but a round mast (not wing shaped)

Chook2 said...

Thanks for the sail size info, it seems a bit strange that it's not regulated but I'm not going to argue, I'm a large bloke and need the square meters in my LLM.

Its actually a double edge sword...
Go big sail = need to make yacht super strong to support it.
Go Big sail = harder to keep the wheels on the ground in strong wind.
Big sails less efficient at high speeds.
Big sails work well on soft surfaces.
Smaller sails better for hard surfaces and high speed.

By not having to measure sails is a bonus for the sport as it stops SO much arguing in measuring prior to a championships.
It also assists newcomers into the sport by using pre-loved sailboard sails.

How refreshing that there are so few requirements.
It's a breath of fresh air in our current enviroment, that this can happen.

Now you point it out Gismo, it makes a lot of sence, thanks.

landyacht said...

reading the fisly rule on masts, only the mast must be round, that will mean the those awkward standart inserts and the big pocket will be fine to use

On the other thread IPKSA (Alan, FISLY vice president) was clear: Standart' type mast AND sail are NOT allowed.

This three very simple rules were made to bring more people to the sport. Ironically the rules are pretty clear among who's in the sport, but they're so minimal that I've a lot of difficulties to explain them to whom has not seen a landyacht before.

Cheers - Enrico

veladaterra said...

On the other thread IPKSA (Alan, FISLY vice president) was clear: Standart' type mast AND sail are NOT allowed.

I read nothing in the rules to back this up, couldn't even say there was anything there that could be taken as such. I see a little (friendly) conflict at an event somewhere along the line

If it is new technology that allows land yachts to go faster than before, why should it not be incorporated into the rules?????

IPKSA said...

I just love the way the miniyacht rule creates debate and interest !

Simple , keep to the rule and off you go !

Alan

exactly Alan , we read the rule and reached a different Interpretation, based on what we read.
i would love the rules to be even simpler still, but bad luck to me.
strangely , tonight I started recutting a very fast successful windsurfer sail that has a large pocket, batten cams and even rollers on the cam.
Think of it as an experiment in finding out what is possible.
the next sail in line has a double batten /internal tensioning ssystem that would give a shape not unlike a standart, but easier to set up (maybe).
just because the yacht is mini, people really do underestimate them, last weekend we were sailing at 90kph consistently,in conditions that I would not sail a 5 or promo in.
Minis have an incredible potential , lets find out what it is,

Nikrum said...

OK! Paul now your getting into real speeds, what was the average wing speed for those trips??
Ron

the best 5 10sec runs were all over 89 and there was a 50 sec run over 89 as well.
one does like some consistency

Nikrum said...

Paul,
you didn't answer the Q? Wind Speed that got you there??
Ron

oh winD speeds. base speed was around40kph with gusts up to 50 at the end , got up to 60 later but we had left by then .
when a 2,2 is too much sail area you kinda have to pack up.
the main problem was that my tiny sail was too loose and baggy, the new ones are like drum skins with shape

cisco said...

landyacht said...
the new ones are like drum skins with shape

Stop it. You are giving me a hard on.

Me too

Next thing you know he will be reinventing an Ezzy

nebbian said...

cisco said...

landyacht said...
the new ones are like drum skins with shape

Stop it. You are giving me a hard on.

Me too

Next thing you know he will be reinventing an Ezzy

that sounds sad boys
well you know what to look out for now nebbian, especially picassos, they are brilliant to recut.
save all you mates old surf sails and I can make some crazy sexy sail with them