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bazl
bazl
WA
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30 Dec 2007 11:04pm
So I had a look at the wind charts tonight after sailing. 25 - 30 knots for most of the afternoon, no wonder there was so many yachts out on a non race day!
Our NZ visitors had a blast in their blokarts, often in tandem with the 4m sail on the aft kart. Very speccy when they both lifted a wheel in unison. I believe there are photos, will post some if I can find who has them. A big thanks also to Warren who helped the guys out.

Roll on race day next Sunday!!
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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1 Jan 2008 10:19pm
tis always good to nip out for a sail when it is a bit ****scary to sail
bazl
bazl
WA
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1 Jan 2008 10:24pm
Forecast is for same again this Sunday, yippee!
warrend
warrend
WA
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WA, 19 posts
7 Jan 2008 10:59pm
Big thanks to Barry for letting me sail his club 88.

Made my decision to build a class 5 yacht even easier.

I thought i had been fast in a blokart on tarmac, but sailing Bazl's class 5 landyacht gave me a whole new meaning of speed.

A little bird told me someone in the background yelled out "he's never sailed one of those before !!!" as I took off in 25 knots plus. I hope i didn't let you down Barry...

Thanks for the rush.

Warren.
hills
hills
SA
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8 Jan 2008 12:43am
Hehe, they're good fun aren't they, we had between 20 -25kph winds yesterday

What type of class 5 are you going to build? Make sure you document it in our new construction section
bazl
bazl
WA
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7 Jan 2008 11:33pm
Yeah, was great to see Warren have such a good time. I was beginning to wonder if I was going to get my yacht back! I'm sure he was would have buzzed around there all day if he could.
bazl
bazl
WA
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7 Jan 2008 11:43pm
Yesterday was good too, 20 - 25. Great to see 16 yachts on the start line; top recorded on the GPS was 71kph.
warrend
warrend
WA
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WA, 19 posts
7 Jan 2008 11:47pm
I've got Fed 5 plans here that I bought a year ago. Not overly easy to follow, but we'll plug our way through. Luckily a good mate is an alloy / steel fabricator who loves sailing.

The severe lack of plans available for the class 5 is a disgrace, considering its popularity throughout the world.

Hope to have one rolling by the end of this season...

Cheers

Warren.
hills
hills
SA
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8 Jan 2008 10:27am
Yeah I got the Pacific Magic plans back in 2000, but after I got them I was invited to crew on another yacht so didn't pull my finger out and do anything about them until last year. They're not to bad to follow but I definitely had to get a lot of help from David Rose. Luckily he made himself available most weekends while I was building it and he completely made the mast, boom and axles for me. Now I only wish I did do it back in 2000!!
warrend
warrend
WA
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8 Jan 2008 10:19am
Where did you get the Pacific magic plans from ?

Do they have a website or email that you know of ?

Warren.
hills
hills
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8 Jan 2008 1:01pm
I got them from David Rose, he'll send them to you for a small fee to cover postage and photocopying, you can email him at budrose@picknowl.com.au. He also has the plans for the fed 5.

Or alternatively as Paul Day "Landyacht" was the designer of the pacific magic so you could probably get them from him, although he's got a few later models you could probably choose from as well.

Paul now builds the "T" shaped chassis instead of the "Y" shaped ones, which the PM is, so they would be a bit easier to get the angles correct.

I guess if you're going to race with the Sandgropers you might also want to consider a club 88 like Bazl's.

I'm sure Landyacht be along any second now with some sound advice
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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8 Jan 2008 8:23pm
If you contact Steve Zoccoli via the sandgropers LYC he can show you the PROMO 5 that we have designed and built. IT is simpler than a fed 5, uses the same wheels, mast ,sail, as a club 88 but sails a bit differently. You are welcome to measure and copy the yacht chassis I do not recommend, altering any part of the design. We have tried all those things already. The steel used in the chassis is special that said if you are in WA I can organize to get some to you as the club has a stock of it.
The Promo is basically what a clubb 88 should have been , but I made the mistake of letting a commitee work on the design whilst I was away working. Please note that the seat on Steves PROMO is not to used as a plug for any person to build a MOULD.. the seat is the result of much effort and money by a dedicated team of workers including myself. you will find that a club88 seat will fit very nicely.

Re the Pacific Magic plans. .In1994 I gave the Adelaide LandYacht Club permission to sell the planson behalf of the club. Some years ago I learnt tha David Rose was selling plans on his own behalf. we did not and still do not give him permission to do so.We offer no technical advice to anybody building from a DR set of plans. WE have had a lot of people ring with questions over the years , as DR left my name and phone No on the plans when he started selling them himself
that said the Promo is a better design and easier to build . We do have PM plans for sale from the original drawings, email off forum if interested.
hills
hills
SA
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8 Jan 2008 10:06pm
landyacht said...
Re the Pacific Magic plans. .In1994 I gave the Adelaide LandYacht Club permission to sell the planson behalf of the club. Some years ago I learnt tha David Rose was selling plans on his own behalf. we did not and still do not give him permission to do so.We offer no technical advice to anybody building from a DR set of plans.


All of my initial contact to buy the plans was via the club. It was actually someone else that I contacted at ALYC and then the plans arrived from David. I believe everything David does is done on behalf of ALYC.

You've just gotta let some of this baggage go Paul!!

heccles
heccles
WA
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8 Jan 2008 8:55pm
landyacht said...

If you contact Steve Zoccoli via the sandgropers LYC he can show you the PROMO 5 that we have designed and built. IT is simpler than a fed 5, uses the same wheels, mast ,sail, as a club 88 but sails a bit differently. You are welcome to measure and copy the yacht chassis I do not recommend, altering any part of the design. We have tried all those things already. The steel used in the chassis is special that said if you are in WA I can organize to get some to you as the club has a stock of it.
The Promo is basically what a clubb 88 should have been , but I made the mistake of letting a commitee work on the design whilst I was away working. Please note that the seat on Steves PROMO is not to used as a plug for any person to build a MOULD.. the seat is the result of much effort and money by a dedicated team of workers including myself. you will find that a club88 seat will fit very nicely.

Re the Pacific Magic plans. .In1994 I gave the Adelaide LandYacht Club permission to sell the planson behalf of the club. Some years ago I learnt tha David Rose was selling plans on his own behalf. we did not and still do not give him permission to do so.We offer no technical advice to anybody building from a DR set of plans. WE have had a lot of people ring with questions over the years , as DR left my name and phone No on the plans when he started selling them himself
that said the Promo is a better design and easier to build . We do have PM plans for sale from the original drawings, email off forum if interested.
well i dont beleive what i am reading this bloke landyacht appears to have designed just about everything including the wheel, i am just wondering if he holds world patents on all this ,any way enough of this diatribe and lets change channels for some thing different.as i said once before this is a witch hunt enough said

warrend
warrend
WA
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8 Jan 2008 10:18pm
landyacht said...

The steel used in the chassis is special that said if you are in WA I can organize to get some to you as the club has a stock of it.


I did some research on steel tube. Is the stock you use CDS or CDW 350 as I see that is what most roll cages are made from for in race cars due to its low deflection and high strength.

Onesteel do an "Ultrapipe" that is a super high pressure hydraulic steel tube CDW 350.

How about some pics of a Promo 5 and Pacific Magic fully rigged.

Cheers

Warren.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
8 Jan 2008 11:03pm
HISTORY LESSON TO FOLLOW

As far as I know this information is correct . any body who can finnd out more on this particular subject I for one would aprecciate your input.
This was told to me by father , who spent 23 years in the transport division of the RAF. The relevence of that will be obvious.

The wheel that we refer to as the wheelbarrow was designed as a quick cheap wheel for trolleys carrying bombs and munitions out to aircraft on the Tarmac . The tyres were designed to have just the right amount of suspension that the trolleys did not need springs and did not use excessive amounts of Rubber.. I have related this information from my father to others with a similar military background to my Dad and they agree with him.
Sorry I cant take the claim for that one.


PERSONAL DESIGN RESUME TO FOLLOW
The only "designs" I can take credit for are the Original club 88. I was given the task by SAngropers in 1987 to look at all the designs at the world champs. then come back to Aus and design a one design club yacht. The original batch of steel for the chassis was the wrong type and instead of throwiing away the chassis and starting again with the right stuff, The welder on the project. known here as B4U. started adding a series of square tubes, braces and that hideous holden waterpump pulley . this was consistent with the way he built all his previous machines. the new PROMO design is basically what the club 88 should hace looked like. The seat for the club 88 was built from a set of cardboard templates which I supplied to the great STAN SHARP . he was a boatbuilder and the fibreglasser on the project took the 2 templates ,but only used the side template. I used these same templates on the new PROMO seat.
I'm pleased to say that the CLUB 88 is still being built by the Sandgropers and is a credit to the club that has kept landsailing alive in WA
The next design was the "VIKING" designed and built in 1991. 3 are still sailing .in
WA .
After some experiments in OTT chassis, and 4 yachts being built ( 2 sailing, 2 unknown whereabouts) I built a yacht originally christened the DESERT EAGLE. this was later renamed the PACIFIC MAGIC because a number of NZ,US,UK,BE,and AUS sailors wanted to promote it as a one design. The seat design was altered to the one we see today. that work can be credited to the skills of Adelaide sailor Martin Bell. one of the group that rekindled the Adelaide LYC in the late seventies.
15 yachts were Registered with me before pilots started adding bigger wheels, and grafting the british FED 5 design to it. end of class yacht. I am pleased to discover that the yacht that went to the US ended up being used as the basis for a small fleet in Chile and Argentina. although the PM doesnt fit the new PROMO specs it has heped the sport along internationally which was the intention of the group that asked for the design .
After a few years building schooners, canoes sheds and a business the urge to design came with a desire to sail past a BLOKART.
This led to the design of the MINI EXPLORER , and a class 5 to the new International PROMO specifications.
By my tally and defining a design as say 4 identical yachts, Ive 7 designs to my name.there are some 20 other individual yachts.. These I usually refer to as EXperiments . EG experiment 055 PIGS MIGHT FLY.

AND IVE JUST STARTED
hills
hills
SA
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9 Jan 2008 12:33am
Here you go:

Pacific Magic

Promo 5 (and Pauls jim-jams )
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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8 Jan 2008 11:10pm
I assume CDS means cold drawn seamless. that would do the job . the steel we use is a diamond drilling Core tube ( not the drill rod) . and is discarded when it wears on the inside or a thread is damaged. Its excellent stuff. should be photos of both in the photos section
heccles
heccles
WA
30 posts
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9 Jan 2008 2:13am
hills said...

Here you go:

Pacific Magic

Promo 5 (and Pauls jim-jams )

tut tut hills i see your yacht is built to the pm species i see that from the mast step to front wheel the keel is tapered,that is not allowed in the rules a good protest point may be landyacht will have a solution for you

hills
hills
SA
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9 Jan 2008 9:36am
heccles said...
tut tut hills i see your yacht is built to the pm species i see that from the mast step to front wheel the keel is tapered,that is not allowed in the rules a good protest point may be landyacht will have a solution for you




Damn there goes my professional racing career. Looks like I'll just have to sail for the pure enjoyment of it from now on That taper was the hardest part of building the PM!!

heccles
heccles
WA
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9 Jan 2008 12:05pm
rules are rules mate thats what appears to be the problem with class6 every body has a opinion on what they should be ,when there is a set of rules inplace but it appears that there are people who dont want to fall in line and have there own agenda
Promo girl
Promo girl
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9 Jan 2008 3:04pm
Rest easy Hills, the taper on the front of the the PM was queried in 1993. It was deemed allowed as it was not there for a fairing or areodinamic reasons but to make the main beam fit better to the steering. I was at the ALSA meeting where this was discussed, presided over by then ALSA president Martin Bell. This decision was made in consultation with the New Zealanders and Americans also present at the 93 Pacrims. One of the two PMs that raced in 93 had the Chassis taken to the US with the idea that the PM was to become a One Design. I think if someone was to go back though the ALSA minute books they should find a reference to all this. A number of PMs have been raced in various regattas in Aus since 1993 and no-one has complained. So keep on sailing and racing ;-)
Promo Girl
heccles
heccles
WA
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9 Jan 2008 3:18pm
Promo girl said...

Rest easy Hills, the taper on the front of the the PM was queried in 1993. It was deemed allowed as it was not there for a fairing or areodinamic reasons but to make the main beam fit better to the steering. I was at the ALSA meeting where this was discussed, presided over by then ALSA president Martin Bell. This decision was made in consultation with the New Zealanders and Americans also present at the 93 Pacrims. One of the two PMs that raced in 93 had the Chassis taken to the US with the idea that the PM was to become a One Design. I think if someone was to go back though the ALSA minute books they should find a reference to all this. A number of PMs have been raced in various regattas in Aus since 1993 and no-one has complained. So keep on sailing and racing ;-)
Promo Girl
so we have double standards,one minute we donkey years behind,and the alsa rules are not right now wesee yuo were invovled with rule changes ,wre these changes ratified by fisly

hills
hills
SA
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9 Jan 2008 5:20pm
Promo girl said...

Rest easy Hills, the taper on the front of the the PM was queried in 1993. It was deemed allowed as it was not there for a fairing or areodinamic reasons but to make the main beam fit better to the steering. I was at the ALSA meeting where this was discussed, presided over by then ALSA president Martin Bell. This decision was made in consultation with the New Zealanders and Americans also present at the 93 Pacrims. One of the two PMs that raced in 93 had the Chassis taken to the US with the idea that the PM was to become a One Design. I think if someone was to go back though the ALSA minute books they should find a reference to all this. A number of PMs have been raced in various regattas in Aus since 1993 and no-one has complained. So keep on sailing and racing ;-)
Promo Girl


Woohoo, my racing career has been resurrected!!

Promo girl
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9 Jan 2008 6:31pm
Heccles said <so we have double standards,one minute we donkey years behind,and the alsa rules are not right now wesee yuo were invovled with rule changes ,wre these changes ratified by fisly>

You mis read what I wrote Heccles, I did not say the rules were changed. What I said was this point was discussed (ie interprtated at an ALSA meeting, with international guests). The interpretation of the existing rule was that it was ok.

No there is no double standard, as I mentioned before I have done up a comparison table of class 5 specs. I am waiting for this to be uploaded in the articles section then you will be able to see just how many donkeys are involved since Aussie class 5 specs were written down.

So instead of stirring, hold you horses and wait until Mr Seabreeze can upload the article I think everyone will get quite a suprise just how many differences inthe various versions of class 5 specs
Promo girl

PS also worth noting FISLY does not need to ratify ALSA rules. Australia's association with FISLY is on a very minimal level. FISLY ratifiy changes to rules only after very long and drawn out negotiation with the ralative pilot associations and full member countries at their regular meetingss

If all ALSA members were willing to pay significiant increases in their fees we could become a full ALSA rep and I will volunteer to be the FISLY rep and you can fly me to Europe for the meetings
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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9 Jan 2008 6:38pm
warrend said...

landyacht said...

The steel used in the chassis is special that said if you are in WA I can organize to get some to you as the club has a stock of it.


I did some research on steel tube. Is the stock you use CDS or CDW 350 as I see that is what most roll cages are made from for in race cars due to its low deflection and high strength.

Onesteel do an "Ultrapipe" that is a super high pressure hydraulic steel tube CDW 350.

How about some pics of a Promo 5 and Pacific Magic fully rigged.

Warrend could you please post all in the info about these steel tubes that you can find into the construction section of the forum please? Maybe under the heading of class 5 chassis tubes? Hopefully it will be easier for others to find in the future and it would be a good starting point for discussion on the topic of steel tubing.
cheers landyacht

Cheers

Warren.


BTR
BTR
WA
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11 Jan 2008 5:20pm
I just got onto this little gem of a site after Muzza Racing told me about the forthcoming Nationals in SA.

Being me, I just have to say one thing in relation to the Pacific Magic. Nice looking yacht! And so easy to PASS! I just luv em
bazl
bazl
WA
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11 Jan 2008 6:15pm
Welcome Kim, ...er sorry, Mr Bremner
Nice to see another starter on deck.
hills
hills
SA
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11 Jan 2008 7:58pm
Haha, so easy to PASS hey. That's the sort of attitude we want to make the nationals even more interesting, good to see!!

And what do you pilot Mr Bremner??
BTR
BTR
WA
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BTR BTR
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11 Jan 2008 6:36pm
Arhhhh Hills I am pleased to make your acquaintance, hope you get those glasses of yours checked before we get there. I sail a very very rusty and tired Class 88 as per the photo. As do the rest of the team.
BTR
BTR
WA
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BTR BTR
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11 Jan 2008 6:38pm
It was known as the Bosal Bullet. You should read up on it.
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