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RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
4 Jan 2012 11:57am
you can purchase the best quality & priced plastic centered 400x8 wheels for land sailors or simular equipment from any richmond castors store in Australia, They have stores in all states www.richmondau.com . The rims are manafactured from high grade UV stable polymer material,The tires are 4ply motor cycle grade rubber. The standard off the shelf wheels are fitted with the tradition flange type bearings .Their is a optional upgrade bearing kit which includes a rubber sealed precision bearing in either 20mm or 25mm bore. These simply press back into the bearing pocket once the exisisting bearings are removed, I have attached a picture. The product codes are as follows. Wheel PN1603-1PL $48.88 ea + g.s.t Up grade bearing kit BUSH20MMBRG or BUSH25MMBRG $4.79 ea + g.s.t Total price $58.46 ea + g.s.t Richmond Castors will also give you a 25% discount of the above price which equalls a fantastic deal for wheels.









cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
4 Jan 2012 11:24am
Thank you for the post.

From what I can see the 20mm bore bearing adaptor is metal which is better than the plastic adaptors for the Fallshaw wheels in my opinion.

Are you able to supply the wheels fitted with ribbed tread tyres instead of the knobby treads?
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
4 Jan 2012 1:18pm
Also, have these been tested under landsailing conditions?
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
4 Jan 2012 10:24am
lachlan3556 said...

Also, have these been tested under landsailing conditions?


IE Large side loads
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
2865 posts
SA, 2865 posts
4 Jan 2012 1:32pm
On the LLMini construction thread there is a comparison of many types of wheels that's worth reading...
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Build-a-Landyacht-Lake-Lefroy-Mini-Yacht/?page=1
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
4 Jan 2012 2:58pm
I dont want to rain on Richcastors parade.....but....

A set of 3 x Fallshaw wheels,with tubes and knobbly tyres, 6 x bearing adaptors and 6 x high speed sealed bearings is a total of about $120 including tax.

We know what Fallshaw wheels can take- and survive. over and over again.
The Fallshaw rims are made in Australia- and are a proven product.
(Richcastors wheels may well be Aussie made too- but we have to find out yet)

Maybe Richcastors could tell us a bit more about thier wheels- and sling a set to a test pilot for some real life testing to see how they cope?


stephen
RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
4 Jan 2012 8:01pm
Stephen thanks for your comments. we have been selling this product for some years in mostly agrictural applications, Todate we have not had any warranty or quality issues. As long as the wheels are fitted correctly i am very confirdent their will be no problems. To prove this we would be only to happy to sling you a sample set for trialing purposes. As for the your current fallshaw price we can also do some thing about that.
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
4 Jan 2012 7:07pm
Hi Richcastors- best people (in W.A.- in my opinion) for testing and evaluating wheels are the Kalgoorlie crew,

Paul (aka landyacht) is one of the countries leading builders and experimentors

and

TP1 (Test Pilot1) who is well known for enthusiastically testing Pauls creations to the limits.

last I heard Paul was building his two hundred and somethingth experiment!

There are fellas in the east that would be good for testing wheels too.

No doubt someone will put thier hand up soon.

stephen
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
5 Jan 2012 12:01am
I'd love to test some wheels if given the chance
RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
5 Jan 2012 9:54am
Hi i see no problems in giving you a free set for trialing. All we ask is to get you feed back on our product.
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
956 posts
SA, 956 posts
5 Jan 2012 1:51pm

I like your style there Richc.... Locky [in vic], paul and the test pilot [over west]

would give your wheels a very fair trial under what we term working conditions,

and i am sure you wouldnt put your product out there unless it could handle the

extremes of our exciting recreation.....best of luck, from all of us assocciated with

this forum.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
5 Jan 2012 8:37pm
RICHCASTORS said...

Hi i see no problems in giving you a free set for trialing. All we ask is to get you feed back on our product.

lachlan would be just the person to test the rims.
my biggest concern with these rims is the lack of rigidity on the outer edges.the centre looks well beefed up. the outer edges ,when kept at around 30psi should remain round and not start to "square "out. this is a common problem in hot places like lefroy.
i would suggest putting some air in and leaving them out in the weather.
alos try sailing in alot of cross wind situations.
at a glance the tyres look a bit shy on rubber as you really want more knob than space ,
it would also help if lochy were to balance them first,as this particular rim type can be notoriously unbalancable if the moulding isnt done just right
so try em and lets see the results. I am impressed by the adapters by the way.


RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
6 Jan 2012 1:10pm
Hi
your points are very valid, One of our first tests we do on any new plastic pneumatic wheel design is to place them out in the sun at 36deg fully inflated for weeks on end.
If the tire or rim do not explode they have passed the biggest quality issue. I must say we have tested many samples wich all failled the heat test before we settled on the righ grade of polymer for our centres. The rubber quality used in our tyres is the best avaialble from china wich is motorcycle quality. You will only find better quality by using the original brands like kenda,cheng shin ect from taiwan, but these are much more expensive and wont really give you the return for the the extra cost. As with all pneumatic tyres the consumers want cheaper prices, To do this the rubber thickness has to be reduced. We will get in contact with lachlan to have the wheels tested
RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
6 Jan 2012 2:39pm
lachlan3556 said...

I'd love to test some wheels if given the chance


RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
6 Jan 2012 2:42pm
Lachlan
please email me your address were you want the wheels shipped to, i will arrange for a free trial set lindsay@richmondcastors.com.au cheers

Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
6 Jan 2012 12:00pm
Richcastors This is impressive that you want to go the extra mile
I hope the wheels test out well for everyones benefit
I imagine a simple test would be pump the tyre up to 30 psi load the wheel up
with 200kg or so and drag it sideways on a hot day until the tyre bursts or the
wheel gives up on a sealed road If it stands up to that then it should be be OK
IMHO
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
6 Jan 2012 3:04pm
PM sent
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
6 Jan 2012 7:58pm
Hiko has me thinking now...

Anyone know of a test/tests one might do during the testing of wheels?

I have a few ideas but if anyone has anymore input...
iand
iand
QLD
243 posts
QLD, 243 posts
6 Jan 2012 9:57pm
take the tyre off and check balance of the rim and compare to a fallshaw, mount on landyacht and see how much flex,compare to a fallshaw. it's still summer and I recall one of your photos of your mini on bitumen. give it heaps on the bitumen on a hot day till the tyres are shot if the rims survive without popping the tyres off the bead or any other type of failure I'd say thats a fair test as the heat and cornering stresses are the killer and this I feel would exceed what you get on salt and definitely be greater than what you get on sand.
Ian
colk2004
colk2004
317 posts
317 posts
7 Jan 2012 2:14am
I'd be interested in a price for enough upgrade bearing sets to do 3 wheels and a spare with shipping to the UK.....depending on what the OD of the insert is. I'm feeling lazy and have so many other jobs to do that it'd be a help.

Cheers Col
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
7 Jan 2012 10:13am
Yeah! Col,
I could look about for you as I being retired I have Buckets of time to hunt.. What type of wheels are you using, Best had Post some pics. Depending on the Rims there are Upgrades that can be made using HIGH SPEED Bearings. I have done this on some Plastics similar to those pictured above.
With Pauls/Landyachts remarks about the dangers of cheaper Plastic Rims you should keep in mind that he and a few of his Fellows (From WA) live in the Devils Kitchen where if one steps into the Sunlight it is instant Flames and Heat Stroke...
Just Kidding Paul but you have to admit that it is a HOT Bugger of a place, especially inland and on the Coast the Sharks stop you from entering the Water up to the point where they can not live because the Crock's eat them...

Anyway Col, if you are interested PM me.
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
7 Jan 2012 7:20pm
the things to be keeping an eye out for is the edge squareing that I already discussed,but also flexing of the spokes. this is indicated by the rear sliding downwind when the load picks up. you need to do it on a surface wher you can look at the tracks,and you will see a scalloping track mark when you try to sail in a straight line.
a big test with this rim pattern is the pretyre balancing and trueness.
i recall that a 6005 bearing is a 1"od(correct me if thats wrong)
what is the manufacturers load rating for the rim?
we have trialled a number of rims of this pattern,one was made of a too brittle material, another was a great rim for a front ,but just didnt make the grade on the rear. a pity as they were only $2.10 each if I bought a box of 100 rims
i look forward to seeing how this great effort by an Australian supplier pans out.
thanks for noticing us and coming forward
RICHCASTORS
RICHCASTORS
VIC
7 posts
VIC, 7 posts
9 Jan 2012 9:33am
HI

THE 6005 BEARING IS 25MM NOT 1", MANY PEOPLE GET THIS MIXED UP.
YOU CANNOT FIT A 25MM ID BEARING ON TO A 1 DIAMENTER AXLE.
WHAT IS THE STANDARD DIAMETER AXLE USED ON THESE PRODUCTS, OR ARE THEY MANAFACTURED ONCE THE WHEELS ARE SELECTED.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
9 Jan 2012 10:01am
RICHCASTORS,
Who says it won't fit?? It is remarkable what can be achieved with a BIG Hammer . I think the Axle size usually is chosen once the wheel and bearings are at hand. I had problems getting what I wanted at the time and bought Bolts which I used as axles. Some people may have the resources to Create their Axles. Though in this day and age I would suggest Metric was the way to go unless you live in the more Backward Countries that haven't upgraded to this system yet[}:)] Sorry Yank!!
Ron
PS; Quite often one finds that some machinery uses metric and then others use Imperial,
again this depends on the country of origin.

Chook2
Chook2
WA
1249 posts
WA, 1249 posts
9 Jan 2012 7:56am
All the LL minis, I've been involved with, were built as per the plans with 20mm axles and use 6004 bearings.
One batch of 21 wheels that were fitted with NTN bearings certainly run a lot smoother.

Thanks for your support of our sport.
grlynch
grlynch
QLD
208 posts
QLD, 208 posts
9 Jan 2012 8:34pm
20mm axles and 6204 bearings on mine!
Hiko
Hiko
1229 posts
1229 posts
9 Jan 2012 7:24pm
grlynch said...

20mm axles and 6204 bearings on mine!


Ditto
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
9 Jan 2012 8:03pm
we mostly use a 20mm axle . thinner axles generaly bend, heavier is relly just being excessive. at 20mm you can get an off the shelf bolt ,rod or even just mildsteel bar and it will be fine.
most of us settled on the 6204 bearingin an insert in the fallshawheels,\. these are agreat choice. the UK /EU buyers can get these off the shelf as landyachts,kitebuggiesand even wheelbarrows have this as a common size.
one day i got a 6004 set up by mistake and when I trialled this set up it was great.
thanks for clearing up the 6005 sizing, saved me going down the shed
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
14 Feb 2012 9:47am
RICHCASTORS said...

lachlan3556 said...

I'd love to test some wheels if given the chance


hey Lachy- you tested the wheels yet?
I just got an email from Richcastings with some pretty attractive prices

Stephen.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
14 Feb 2012 4:39pm
Unfortunately not yet.

I got as far as buying the 20mm shaft, then been trying to find some time to make up the axles but it keeps slipping by. Making a very big effort to get them made up this week sometime and take them out this weekend. Been feeling very guilty for not getting it done sooner...
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
14 Feb 2012 7:57pm
What a Pity I am using 6"x6" Rims and Aircraft tires.. The Strip would be a good place to test tires.. I am not afraid to put the Razor Sideways on Bitumen, and it certainly cuts a Sqeel from the Rubber I use .. The Cat takes about 4 or 5 hrs to cut a set of Chinese Rubber up maybe up to 7 to Pop a set.. Never been there and don't want too. Can't afford to replace rims as well as rubber.
Ron

PS Lachy get them tested soon.. I am sure that Richc's want some return for their outlay.
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