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docheckle
docheckle
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12 May 2013 11:24pm
What size sheet rope is everyone using , and as for pulleys what is the cheapest route.
Many thanks
Test pilot 1
Test pilot 1
WA
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13 May 2013 3:58pm
I am using a 10mm on my LLMini and a 8mm on my Promo(class5). As for pulleys usually smaller is cheaper but larger is easier to use. I use a large rachet block as this is easier on your rope and hands
docheckle
docheckle
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15 posts
13 May 2013 7:43pm
thanks tp
Gizmo
Gizmo
SA
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SA, 2865 posts
13 May 2013 9:22pm
Try eBay for pulleys
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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14 May 2013 9:33pm
docheckle said..

What size sheet rope is everyone using , and as for pulleys what is the cheapest route.
Many thanks


10mm is fine ofr minis, 12mm for cl5,many of us use a 42mm diameter sheave on the minis, 5,s are more often about 60mm,
roller bearings not neccesary,and some of the new high tech carbon stuff chews out in no time in sand.
from memory in the UK your blocks are a lot cheaper than Aus
JunkSmith
JunkSmith
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15 May 2013 2:00pm
cheapest route - I think I'm going to try to adapt some roller blade wheels. Found 3 pairs enough for 12 double ball bearing pulleys! I'm considering ways to re-profile them and probably make them thinner (for 1/2" rope). Then it's just a matter of bending a "U" strap out of aluminum and reusing the bolts and nuts they came with.
wokelliott
wokelliott
WA
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15 May 2013 9:02pm
Great idea using the wheels, just make sure the "u" strap is wider than the wheel so the rope can't roll off the pulley edges...w
sn
sn
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sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
15 May 2013 9:36pm
To reprofile the roller blade wheels, freeze them [I'm told it makes machining easier]
Clamp the roller wheel between a couple of large washers with a nut and bolt so it cant spin on the bolt.
Use the bolt to secure the roller wheel in the chuck of your lathe- [or drill press]
Reprofile with either proper lathe tooling- or a big rat tail file.

my theory only........let me know if it works

stephen
JunkSmith
JunkSmith
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23 posts
16 May 2013 2:45am
Thanks guys for the tips

correction: 3 pairs is enough for 24 double ball bearing pulleys!

Other uses are possibly for wild wheels and using them in the drag brake system - 2 mounted on angle iron so as to wear evenly and drag (think "snow plow" skiing stance).
docheckle
docheckle
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15 posts
16 May 2013 4:00am
Junk that is the kind of lateral thinking I like,off to ebay i go !!
JunkSmith
JunkSmith
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16 May 2013 5:25am
Happy to contribute!

Ok, there's nothing like urging on to get the experimentation started.

It was much easier than I thought! I put a power planer to it to see how easily it could be shaved. It worked ok at room temp so I put a bolt through it so it could spin and chucked it in a drill press. With the planer at an angle closer to the bolt axis, it self spun and created the profile desired. I used the most worn wheel to experiment on so that's why the cut looks a bit non-symmetrical.



diameter reduction and shaping (sideways view)





top row: child's size rollerblade wheels/hardware and 1/2" rope.
bottom row: adult size wheels and hardware.
leftmost: razor scooter wheel - even better for wild wheels.

also, backdrop is a roll of spun polyester I freecycled. It reminds me of what one sees on the bottom of a couch, but it is probably landscaping weed block. Could it be strong enough to use as glassed in reinforcement or only suitable as the smooth cosmetic final layer?
docheckle
docheckle
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15 posts
16 May 2013 11:34pm
Junk I would only use it as finishing cloth if the resin will soak into it.
landyacht
landyacht
WA
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20 May 2013 8:59pm
docheckle said..

Junk I would only use it as finishing cloth if the resin will soak into it.


I think you might find that it will reject the resin.
like nylon it should peel straight off the resin when hardened
JunkSmith
JunkSmith
23 posts
23 posts
17 Jul 2013 10:40am
Re: spun polyester - bummer. I have to admit when I first picked it up, I thought "polyester cloth with polyester resin...what a good match". Thanks landyacht and docheckle for your help.

Ok, after some experimentation here's the result of my (racing) pulley setup. Sn, I did freeze the wheels and used a bolt and washers so they didn't spin in a hand drill then used the power planer at 90 degrees to the wheel to get the deepest groove - thanks. Planing them does generate quite a bit of heat but I just went ahead and did it in one pass without re-freezing. The drawback of the rollerblade wheels as sheaves is that the rubber compound (and my lack of a deep groove) does not lend itself well to letting the rope find the lowest position of the sheave. So the work-around was to use use a bent wire guide. That works well - with a slack rope and "up side down" position the rope gets positioned just right every time. The wire guides are slightly different dimensions depending on what angle the rope exits and if I need more rope angle, they can be flipped over. There is a hard black plastic spacer that keeps the sides separated and a piece of garden hose over that which keeps the blue fastening rope always centered - to also aid in preventing a slack system from getting cock-eyed. The blue rope passes through 2 holes in the white garden hose.

The setup below is from paul's helpful "racing sheeting" diagram. I was intending to incorporate some other sheaves in the smaller blocks, but the ended up being more problematic. I found the blue rope didn't mind navigating the as-is diameter of the plain roller blade bearing and it gave a real smooth action. Plastic side washers were cut from (hdpe) food container tops. Black plastic spacer again at the ends and I reused the nylon "bearing spacer" that came with the wheels over the center bolt. To ensure the sides didn't bind the ball bearing, the bearing spacer was cut with about 1/16" of the wider portion attached, It was then trimmed to the same diameter as the rest by just nipping it with a knife against a fixed surface - of course if you have a lathe that would be more direct.




landyacht
landyacht
WA
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17 Jul 2013 9:15pm
10 out of 10 from me . top effort
JunkSmith
JunkSmith
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23 posts
18 Jul 2013 4:36am
Much appreciated, thanks paul.
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