Richmond 4.00x8 Wheels for Miniyachts

> 10 years ago
Reply
Register to post, see what you've read, and subscribe to topics.
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
21 Nov 2012 12:06pm
Hello all.

Just wanted to post a bit of info after finally giving what I think was a very decent test of the Richmond wheels I was sent earlier in the year. The story goes, for those who don't remember, a representative from Richmond Wheels and Castors posted on the forum saying the company sold wheels appropriate for landyacht use. These wheels look very similar to the cheap wheelbarrow wheels that we know don't work so everyone was a little unsure of them. To prove they were good for landyachts, he sent a set of wheels to a member of the Seabreeze group (Me!) to test.

So...

I installed these Richmond wheels on my miniyacht (the red one) and have been trying to get sailing ever since (my local saleyards have been closed to the public due to hoon activity so it hasn't been so easy). Finally, I was up in NSW at my clay pan again a couple of weeks ago and gave them another really good run.

Results; I can't break, damage or flex these wheels no matter what I do. They appear and felt just like I was running the Fallshaw wheels. I bent an axle trying and my ply/glass seat is now in three pieces, these damages due to me trying to transfer maximum pressure possible to the wheels (by doing some stupid stunts involving a dam bank and the odd saltbush clump). Wheel balance was comparable to the Fallshaw wheels.

I have come to the conclusion that these wheels will hold up to normal miniyacht use and will even take a bit more.

This said, Im 95% sure these wheels aren't as strong as the Fallshaw brand, though I have no actual evidence to support this conclusion, and wouldn't fit them to a class 5.




Pics are from a testing session earlier in the year, I was too busy sailing to get some of my recent trip.
gibberjoe
gibberjoe
SA
956 posts
SA, 956 posts
21 Nov 2012 3:37pm

good job there , wondered if i had missed the outcome. So we can say a good cheap wheel that will give service under some hard times
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
22 Nov 2012 12:57am
Thanks for that lachlan.

I believe the Richmonds are a quality item at a competitive price and there seems to be not much between them and the Fallshaws.

I don't think any of the plastic wheels are good for more than 35 psi tyre pressure.

The Fallshaws have more spoke web between the hub and rim edge as is quite noticeable in your second photo but the rim edge of them is thinner.

Balance is more affected by tyres than rims.

Hard to pick which is the better unless you did a chemical analysis of the plastic compound in each but that would cost $$$$$$$$$$.


Edit:- One thing the Fallshaws are really good for is getting your fingers in the webs to pick up the front wheel and pull your yacht along behind you.
Nikrum
Nikrum
TAS
1972 posts
TAS, 1972 posts
22 Nov 2012 10:12am
Though these rims look like the Cheap Chinese Rims they would appear to be made of a Nylon/Less Brittle material so another test would be for them to stand in the son for a time out on a salt pan.. I recently blew up a barrow Tyre under "Rule of Thumb" (Pressure??), you know the old method of checking the pressure of a Push Bike Tyre.. Jenni' and I were just about to go out and Keerrrrrump! "Where the F---- was that?" was my reaction. It sounded as though someone had let off half a stick of Jeli', Jenni' eventually noticed the Tyre on the Wheelbarrow was skew-wif. The Bead had quite literally blown over the edge of the Rim and ripped the Rubberized Plastic off the Bead. CHEAP Rubbish.
Ron
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
22 Nov 2012 11:12pm
great to see that they have stood up to all the tests. the important ones would have been side loads on the tarmac,balancing,and tyre wear. the bearing setup looks great.
fantastic result
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
23 Nov 2012 12:52pm
I couldn't get onto the asphalt, though when I have been my lightweight (75Kg) and yacht just seemed to slide sideways (nice squeeling sounds from the tyres ) more than bite in and put pressure on the wheel. The Clay area I was on seemed to give a bit more bite in turns and the wheels didn't miss a beat (this of course was my perception when I was in the yacht, maybe asphalt just feels like there is less pressure). Maybe I need some rougher asphalt...

I'll grab one of the wheels, pump it up to max and sit in the oven here at Uni to bake at 30, then 40, then 50 degrees and see what happens
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
23 Nov 2012 3:50pm
LINK to the original Richmond Wheel thread with availability, specs and pricing:

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/wheels-tires/?SearchTerms=Richmond


kiwiboy
kiwiboy
12 posts
12 posts
9 Jan 2013 4:35am
I just went to get a price from Richmond wheels in NZ and they apparently don't have these wheels. A Shame
lachlan3556
lachlan3556
VIC
1066 posts
VIC, 1066 posts
9 Jan 2013 12:12pm
Bugger! So NZ outlets don't import any of these wheels or just your local dealer? Surely they could get some in in the next shipment...though might have to wait...
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
11 Jan 2013 8:47pm
kiwiboy said...
I just went to get a price from Richmond wheels in NZ and they apparently don't have these wheels. A Shame


you can get fallshaws,cheaper than OZ too, could our kiwi members dig up the link
kiwiboy
kiwiboy
12 posts
12 posts
13 Jan 2013 12:58pm
This is straight from a email from sheppards who are the main importer of fallshaws.
"we can supply a 400 x 8 plastic centred wheel
fitted with a 480/400 x 8 ribbed tyres (straight groove), 4 ply, bearing
will be 1' ball bearing bushed down to 20 mm with a plastic reducing bush.
The bearing is a deep groove, metal shielded, with a pressed housing.

Price per wheel is $65.09 plus GST"

gst is 15%
wokelliott
wokelliott
WA
179 posts
WA, 179 posts
13 Jan 2013 4:01pm
Re: Fallshaw Wheels. Late 2012 I bought 3 of the Fallshaws with standard knobbly tyres on plastic rims - fitted with precision bearings and plastic spacers from EasyrollMT in Kewdale, WA for $au39.95 +10%GST - picked up from the supplier. I do not know what the cost would have been with ribbed tyres. A few hours on bitumen carparks will convert them to low friction "slicks" in time. The "nobblies" are noisy which indicates road friction to me...wok
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
13 Jan 2013 4:50pm
Hey Wok- last time I bought a couple of sets of ribbed tyres, they came from Mullins Wheels in Belmont,
IIRC they were $16.00 each tyre and tube.
Just make sure all the tubes are the right size- a couple of tubes in mine were 3" instead of 4".

stephen
Chook2
Chook2
WA
1249 posts
WA, 1249 posts
13 Jan 2013 5:29pm
The bearing is a deep groove, metal shielded, with a pressed housing.

This bearing is only a metal shielded as quoted, ie not sealed.

The 2RS (2 rubber seals) bearings, are a lot less maintance.

If you are after very low friction, the new shielded bearing designed for electric motors are the go, that's if you don't mind the time for all the servicing, as they too are not sealed.
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
13 Jan 2013 6:26pm
has anyone tried the richmond bearing adaptor (metal adaptor) in a falshaw wheel instead of the plastic adaptor?

just curious to see if the fit/ work.
wokelliott
wokelliott
WA
179 posts
WA, 179 posts
13 Jan 2013 6:59pm
Hi Chook n Stephen. How would standard high precision bearings go if fitted without seals...then the outer face could be covered by a cap covering the axle shaft (as on trailer wheels), the inner face could be covered by a top quality Neoprene seal or else covered by a thick felt disc saturated in hot grease or CRC compound? Only one bearing to worry about that way.

Stephen, you mentioned Mullins to me before, I'll give them a call re wider rims and tyres as well. A local tyre dealer quoted $64 each for 7.5" wide tyres with matching tube, (not including 8" diameter rims to suit).

I was all set to have a sail locally today but not a breath of wind - I'm suffering withdrawal.

Started digging thru more workshop rubbish today to build a new mini with wooden axle and boxed section full length wooden body, mast probably be supported by "A" frame if the body is not "twist-proof" enough. Idea is to make it ultra-light. My existing boat is a bit heavy at 32kg for my old bones to lift onto the roof rack.

Hava great year, I have the March event well slotted into my brain..wok
landyacht
landyacht
WA
5921 posts
WA, 5921 posts
14 Jan 2013 9:41pm
kiwiboy said...
This is straight from a email from sheppards who are the main importer of fallshaws.
"we can supply a 400 x 8 plastic centred wheel
fitted with a 480/400 x 8 ribbed tyres (straight groove), 4 ply, bearing
will be 1' ball bearing bushed down to 20 mm with a plastic reducing bush.
The bearing is a deep groove, metal shielded, with a pressed housing.

Price per wheel is $65.09 plus GST"

gst is 15%


rubbish bearings!!!!
what you need is a 6004 2RS or 6004 2RS with the relavent adaptor
6004INSERT or 6204INSERT
kiwiboy
kiwiboy
12 posts
12 posts
15 Jan 2013 4:36pm
I am nearly finished an apprenticeship in general engineering so have good access to bearings should/when they need to be replaced. Is the bearing a standard size?
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
15 Jan 2013 7:09pm
They are just about the most common size bearing you can find,
6004-2rs or 6204-2rs?
They are a standard sealed bearing of 20mm inside diameter,
O.D. of the bearing will depend on the adaptor size (falshaw have 2 different adaptors)

Last time I bought bearings, they were only a couple of dollars each
(IIRC, around AUS $24 for 6 bearings inc. tax)

a fair while back, one of our KIWI 'breezers was bragging about how cheap Fallshaw wheels were in New Zealand, compared to over here,
what happened?
cisco
cisco
QLD
12365 posts
QLD, 12365 posts
15 Jan 2013 11:29pm
kiwiboy said...
I am nearly finished an apprenticeship in general engineering so have good access to bearings should/when they need to be replaced.


Stealing is a crime!! You Kiwis can't help yourselves can you??

Please Register, or first...
Topics Subscribe Reply

Return To Classic site 😭
Or... let us know if a problem, so we can tweak! 😅