Landyacht for paraplegics?? Blokart have already done it and for two people.

Quadraplegics? They will have to be passengers with a paraplegic pilot.

Ask the bloke here:- http://www.blokart.com/#MapFrame

or better still here:-www.blokart.com.au/

I am sure he will have all the answers to your questions and be more than willing help you to the utmost of his ability.

Seems that a Goole search or any other internet search on landyachting pops this forum up. Maybe it is the rite site.

Dig deep enough here and you will find the gold.

Speaking of rites, I have heard there is a particular cult of Land Sailors that participte in a nite rite of a particularly hedonistic nature only open to graduates of LLFUOLS (Le Fools). Beware of cults. They are dangerous.

So, as I was saying, all the information you need is on this site if you are willing to dig for it.

I have given you two directions in which to look but I am not going to do your work for you.

Why are all these university lecturers choosing "land sailing for the disabled" as an assignment topic??

Why can't they pick something more practical like "build a better mouse trap"?

Gidday Dreamfitmob,

Cisco isnt being mean- its just that we seem to get a continual stream of uni students from all over the world jumping onto this site, waving thier banner telling us of thier intentions- and expecting us to do everything for them!

It wears a bit thin after a while.

The plans for the worlds best home built, easy to transport and assemble landyacht are on this site (the Lake Lefroy Mini Landyacht)

It has been developed into a 2 seater as well by one of our members.

How you go about building to suit para and quadraplegic sailors will to a large extent depend on the extent of each persons injury.

Do you set up so the wheelchair is lowered and secured into the landyacht frame after removing the wheelchair wheels?
You will probably be needing a crane assembly- but at least they already fit the seat.

Or do you crane the person directly into the landyacht?

I would be aiming towards a wider and stronger version of a lefroy, regular seat one side, bracketry to secure stripped down wheelchair on the other.
Hand controls similar to Blokart but with uni joint at the base so it can be used from either side.
Then the option of small electric winch for sheet rope, or split steering and sheeting between the two on board.

Please- do a bit of homework and think about what you need, we dont mind helping out- but we expect you to help yourself first!

As a side note, my Lefroy Mini Landyacht has been hijacked by Mercy College as a class of thier year 12 students are about to start building 5 Lefroy Mini's for themselves.
If you want to have a look at it, and possibly work alongside them to build yours- send me a P.M.

the need to fit a somebody from a wheelchair gives some opportunities for a complete rethink. I wouldnt try to adapt an existing design. I would suggest you expend the miniyacht wheelbase up to 1800mm wide and 2000mm long , then build a chariot style set up where the pilot could wheel straight into the back of the yacht. this would also give the person the sense of "I am in charge".
i have seen a similar thing like this done locally with a 100cc scooter, so it isa very possible and practical idea.
If youd like to discuss the idea further send a PM by clicking the right icon above my post and we can then swap email adresses so I can send drawings etc
cheers Paul

My apologies for any sharpness in my post but as sn said:-

"Cisco isnt being mean- its just that we seem to get a continual stream of uni students from all over the world jumping onto this site, waving thier banner telling us of thier intentions- and expecting us to do everything for them!

It wears a bit thin after a while."

I wish you all the best in your endeavours and confirm that you have come to the right place.

Land sailing is the extreme sport that just about anybody can do and once you have had a lick of the ice cream, you will want more.

Excellent advice guys, thanks a million.
Cisco- it did not occur to me that you get this all the time.I can definitely see why this would get tiresome after a while, and if I'd known I would have phrased it differently. Rest assured that we're going to make this happen, and we are by no means afraid of hard work, or researh for that matter. Still, time and resources are limited, and every little bit helps. Paraplegics, as you say, should be easy enough to design for, as thats no new invention, but as for quadriplegics, we certainly want them to be more than just passengers.

Sn and landyacht- At this stage we're not trying to incorporate the wheelchair into the design, but I like your ideas, and I'll pass them along to the team. Landyacht's chariot idea is actually quite similar Dreamfit's quadriplegic motorcycle, which has the chariot as a sidecar, and a joystick controlling the bike's functions. So it's definitely doable. In fact the more I think about it, the better I like the idea.

Thanks a million for all your help guys. As we progress I'll post about it. We'll see how it goes!

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Got to love GOOGLE

DreamFitTeam

You might want to take a look at this ,


As it happens we (IPKSA) have the Irish Disabled Sailing Association coming along to the beach this weekend . We are going to have many different types of miniyachts and sandyachts available to try. Idea is to find what can be used by people with different physical disability and see what traditional FISLY class yachts could be adapted. We even have a blind sailor coming along !

Will keep you posted.

Alan

Gizmo,
I am inclined to agree with you on the dignity side. There fore I think that depending on the ability and determination of the individual sailing LY's can vary from something Screaming Disabled to almost Hey guys ain't nuthin' wrong with me. I get the idea that if a person with none functioning legs is willing to "'ave a go" then there is going to be a certain determination to go with them.
Years ago my wife and I worked with the Intellectually Disabled. People regardless of political correctness etc tend to think that these people are Dummies. I was that way until I met JJ. After awhile a problem showed up amongst the Clients; On the Societies vehicle was a LOGO, a Simple Stick Person with a Large Astrix above the head. It seems the problem came from the clients, they didn't like the LOGO primarily because of the ASTRIX. They were aware of the implications! Dummies?? I think not.
If dignity is a big part of what is to be done then as close to normal as possible should be taken into account. Also keep in mind CofG the higher or more upright the Pilot sits the higher the CofG and greater the inclination of the vehicle to be dropped on it's side. The best think that can be done in design is take all designs available think of the clients ability and also keep the individual in the loop/involved. Get them to bounce their ideas off of you. Great things can be achieved with communication and cooperation.

I like the Blowies Idea as a first base thing but I do have a problem with the mast brace around the legs. Crash and bruise. Drop on the side and trapped.
That is way I suggested the simple frame like the Schrodingers Cat, not because I built it. We learn as we go apply those lessons and then some for those with walking difficulties and also keep in mind many of them will be satisfied to potter about and enjoy the freedom of movement but there are those Loonies like us Old Farts that will go outright to break Speed Records and "Bloody Well G'don'm"
Ron

PS; Like the rest of us these people want to be safe, have fun but do not need to be mollycoddled, Get them involved with their own futures.