Hot Wire Cutters

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desertyank
desertyank
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27 Apr 2013 11:17pm
I moved this reply from Vic's Class 3 thread because i didn't want to hijack it. I would like to make a cutter, but I've never seem one, or seen one in use.

Would love to see some pics, and/or how to info in order to make one

They sound simple to make from the responses in the other thread, and I could probably google them, but would rather use something that's been tested....

landyacht said...
I think your supposed to set them to 10MA
Vic i have a foam cutter here tha vindisdad built when he was here It has a neat variable control which i think youll like.
ive some big foam blocks for you to practice on to ,its rather easy when you actually do it.
having played with it youll build one for $0 when you get home


Think you could post a pic or 2 when you get a chance? The price sounds good too
desertyank
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27 Apr 2013 11:22pm
wokelliott said...
Definitely need a good spring to tension the wire straight as it expands when hot. A variable low volt power supply (AC or DC) is ideal. If the wire is not dead tight it will give you a hollow section as you follow the profile curve. Good idea is to lift the waste Styrene material away as you go to make life easier for the wire - so another pair of hands needed.

..Wok


Any particular type of power source?


Nikrum said...
As in all things Electric a little Nouse/Comon Sence etc is required. I don't know what you YANKS are using in the way of domestic voltage, it used to be 110v and that was deffinately very dangerouse 240v is bad enough but there is some forgivness in it, again I have experianced it more than once but there again the foolish dare fate..

Gyro


Thanks Ron. Common sense is scarce here, and we still use 110v AC.
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28 Apr 2013 1:03am
the one I used to have, was made using some type of lighting transformer, a wooden bow, and stainless steel mig wire. wire was held in tension with a spring.

As per seabreeze principles, it cost nothing

[cobbled together by the sparky at work with stuff that was lying around.]
It was used for cutting the shape of the 2' long wing panels for my disposable R/C aircraft.

stephen
JunkSmith
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US772
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28 Apr 2013 2:14pm
I built a wingmast using 4' foam chunks with a spring tensioned H shaped hand held bow about 20 years ago. Here is a good instructional power source video. Note he says for a 50'' bow use a 4 to 4.5 amp transformer.
grlynch
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29 Apr 2013 9:10pm
Been away for a while, but back now.

Built several of these myself the latest i have been using lately and i'm in the process of a new one.

I'll try and get some photo's later if you want, but i don't want to restrict the improvisation.

Tips;

Use a PC power supply. There cheap, (if it's not free look harder!) and pleantyfull. There are some modifications required, basically most have to have a dummy load on one of the circuits, (I'll have to look that up again later which one). There is several how to, websites, and most get you to wire up the sense circuit to a resistor. However it is much easier to wire it up to the fan in the supply and use that as the dummy load. Couple up several of the 12V output cables to a terminal block, (To ensure you don't set fire to the cable with the current draw).

An old, (or new) guitar string is ideal for the wire, (the one that is about 0.5-0.6 mm diameter is the go) And it will need to be about 400 to 450mm long.

If you need temperature control, i just use an aligator clim on a cable from the top of the wire and move it up and down the cable.

Let me know if you need more info!

Glenn
landyacht
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29 Apr 2013 8:57pm
the one Vindisdad built for me uses a car battery charger for the power source ,a guitar E string, and the temp is controled by using a lenght os stainless mast stay wire and a crocodile clip moving along it as a form of resistance. i will take some pics but im having trouble uploading at the moment.
lauries onto it
desertyank
desertyank
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30 Apr 2013 2:15am
Thanks for all the responses! There's a lot of info and practical experience here on S.B.

YES for the pictures, please. The visuals will help me a lot.

How do ya know when the wire is hot enough? I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be glowing red, but is there a visual indicator when it's hot enough?
wokelliott
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30 Apr 2013 9:05am
Definitely not red hot as the Styrene will melt a long way from the wire and cause big ripples on the surface. The idea is to be just hot enough so the wire can continue moving slow and steady and that will take a little practice on your behalf on waste material. I moved the wire from side to side as the cut progressed as I found the melted Styrene stuck to the wire and side movement made it release. My longest cuts were only 32" wide as the wire tended to lag behind in the centre. The only way to overcome that is to keep the wire tension tight with a spring loaded bow as shown in the other articles.

Styrene can be dry sanded smooth by hand if necessary, it tends to build up particles that must be cleared away regularly from under the sanding block but I imagine that will not be necessary if covering with glass.
sabydent
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30 Apr 2013 8:58pm
I used a battery charger for a power source. To control temperature I put a dimmer switch in the box. For a wire I used a stainless steel welding rod. I mounted it on my table saw so I could use the fence. I also made some hand held wands.

I could not load a picture but there is one on page 2 of my build page.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Land-Yacht-Sailing/Construction/Sabydents-Next-Build/
landyacht
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30 Apr 2013 9:01pm
desertyank said...
Thanks for all the responses! There's a lot of info and practical experience here on S.B.

YES for the pictures, please. The visuals will help me a lot.

How do ya know when the wire is hot enough? I'm pretty sure it doesn't need to be glowing red, but is there a visual indicator when it's hot enough?


wok is correct , it is practice with the unit. if you have no rheostat? you add a length of heavy resistance wire( lke staainless stay wire) and move the crocodile clip along till the heat is just right to cut
grlynch
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1 May 2013 10:49am
definately not red hot. really only hot enough to cut at a reasonable speed. it will vary depending on thickness. The cooler it is the better the cut, but it needs to be hot enough to cut in a fairly smooth action.

Although in saying that the wire on mine is about 0.55mm guitar string and is 450mm long running off a 12V computer power supply and I normally don't use the alicator clip.

This is what i've got. New one is actually well under way but is a lot more complocated. Will post photo's of that one day!





desertyank
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2 May 2013 1:14am
grlynch said...
definately not red hot. really only hot enough to cut at a reasonable speed. it will vary depending on thickness. The cooler it is the better the cut, but it needs to be hot enough to cut in a fairly smooth action.

Although in saying that the wire on mine is about 0.55mm guitar string and is 450mm long running off a 12V computer power supply and I normally don't use the alicator clip.

This is what i've got. New one is actually well under way but is a lot more complocated. Will post photo's of that one day!



That looks pretty good, and seems like would be easier to keep things square than a hand held model. I guess it just depends on what ya need to cut.. thanks for posting!
grlynch
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2 May 2013 10:25am
She's a bit rough. one of those situations where "I'll just knock something up quickly for the moment and i'll build a proper one later!"..... Still in service!

I've noticed my welding skills have improved a bit since then...... Sheesh!
landyacht
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5 May 2013 4:05pm
heres mine. tip a ware battery charger , -ve attached to bow and E string(guitar)
+ve attached to a 2m peice of hobie 14 halyard by moving the clip up the post you can increase the reisance and alter the heat on the cutting wire

once its cutting just right anything is possible. its crude.

cutting a wing pan el would need better control , but this is the basics


Hiko
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6 May 2013 12:06pm
FWIW I have seen one set up that uses a wire put into the chuck of a drill press
and using the spring tension of the drill column to keep the wire taut
I made a couple of years ago a plastic bender using a hot wire and can tell you that the wire expands a lot when heated so a good tensioner is needed
grlynch
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6 May 2013 8:32pm
I know of another method explained to me by mate at work. He made an areofoil as the core for a rudder for a yacht.

He cut two timber profiles of what he wanted that was oversized by a known offset. (I think that makes sense! Think tracing around the profile with a fat pen! (Not sure that was better) anyway....)

Then he stuck these to the ends of a piece of styroam foam, (Ensure they are aligned and parallel)

Then set the blade height on a table saw to the offset amount. The without cutting the timber profiles and keeping your fingers out of the way go mental until you can't remove any more foam and there you have it.

Lesson from his experience is to ensure the foam is rigid enough over the span so it dosn't sag. Would probably be best to laminate the foam over a timber spine that could be removed maybe for a large wing section.

My musings was that a router mounted into a timber panel might be better. this could be a much larger table.

If none of this makes sense let me know and i'll make a drawing!
landyacht
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7 May 2013 8:26pm
the advantage of a hot wire cutter is the finish you get. the foam is smoothed almost ready to glass onto
desertyank
desertyank
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8 May 2013 10:49pm
OK, I have a power source now.






I think it's out of a copy machine. Looks like it might just do the trick.

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