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allano
allano
WA
188 posts
WA, 188 posts
30 Jun 2012 1:51pm
Saw this about the Naish Fly


Target: Designed for fun in light to marginal wind conditions.

The Fly goes in virtually no wind and is incredibly fun to ride. Its exceptionally light weight is primarily the result of removing the center strut. In doing this, the center section of the canopy performs like a spinnaker and generates incredible power in light wind.

The Fly uses the Park's proven easy-handling design, which gives it superior turning ability, but it incorporates more overall sweep, which helps the Fly relaunch in marginal wind conditions.

Design Characteristics:
* The power of an 18 with the turning of a 12
* Exceptionally lightweight
* Based on the proven Park platform
* Two strut design
* Amazing low-end
* Superior water relaunch in light winds
* Includes 10m extension lines
Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
30 Jun 2012 2:43pm
Sounds 'superfly' Hey, because of two strut design, it pumps up like a 6 too...

They should use that other term also... How about, "when flyin on the Fly, you're gonna be 'well lit'

Transition_Surf
Transition_Surf
SA
286 posts
SA, 286 posts
30 Jun 2012 5:03pm
Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!
COL
COL
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COL COL
NSW, 554 posts
30 Jun 2012 6:37pm
martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Who's bagging the kite? We know nothing of the kite except what's been said in that ridiculous blurb. "performs like a spinnaker" ? That's the last thing I want, I'd rather something that'll go upwind! Removing a strut is not going to increase power, the best you could hope for is reduced weight with no penalty through reduced stability of the foil.
Col
Subculture
Subculture
443 posts
443 posts
30 Jun 2012 6:21pm
martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


whooooooo.... sensitive

As Col said, the OP was having a go at the sales blurb, not the kite!.. I guess you know at what point of sail a spinnaker is used?? 'Rider for Naish Oz, NPX, ION Apparel and RedBull'? Fck going into tech details if you don't understand nor get the irony.. Too many RedBulls perhaps?
I'd guess more than a few of the 'enlightened' would be wondering where 'spinnaker' blended with an efficient, aerofoil section though
eppo
eppo
WA
9792 posts
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1 Jul 2012 1:52pm
Be awesome for a down-winder...just chuck that spinnaker out - -wheeeeeeeee
RPM
RPM
WA
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RPM RPM
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1 Jul 2012 5:38pm
martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Being a 'Naish professional' Martyn, please elighten us....

surfingboye
surfingboye
NSW
2707 posts
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1 Jul 2012 10:10pm
RPM said...

martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Being a 'Naish professional' Martyn, please elighten us....




bahahahaha,
What a profile page.
lol.

Mr float
Mr float
NSW
3452 posts
NSW, 3452 posts
19 Jul 2012 10:04pm
It might prove to be a viable alternative to taking my mum down to the local (she has a flatulence problem ,but there is an upside ) as a light wind weapon
Luther
Luther
84 posts
84 posts
22 Jul 2012 2:24pm
martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Ha ha ...." come in spinner "
suniboy21
suniboy21
VIC
1090 posts
VIC, 1090 posts
22 Jul 2012 4:30pm
Let me just Release my Jib for my spinnaker.

Good luck relaunching!
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
22 Jul 2012 3:55pm
want a kite that turns like a 6 (because it is a 6) and has the power of an 18? thats easy you need a C-Quad.

doesn't have any depower or water relaunch... mere details.
Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
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2 Aug 2012 10:31pm
kite design vs marketing............
Note quite sure what the answer is to the original question posted by I'm happy to chip in my 2CW.
Im an old and crusty sailboarder that converted to kites around 3 yrs ago and have tried a range of different kite over that time (C kites - learnt on one (fun) Arcs, bows and now hybrids).
I recently replaced my bandit3 13 m with a 12 Griffen Argo 13.5 and its missing its middle strut - and it simply looked odd when I first flew it.
After a few sessions I am rapped with the 'loss of a strut' - nice kite that does every thing that i want and recently on a challenging session ( 8 to 22 knots) it even got me back to the beach when the wind just dropped out - I couldnt believe that it would stay airborne given i couldnt even feel the wind on my face. If these designers can find a way to make a kite do what its suposed to do and not compromise its performance - well WOW.
My experience is that the 13.5M argo ( with its missing rib - does that make it a girl?? ha ha) has seriously got something going for it - so i guess the Nash Fly could be the same - ????
Big calls by Naish ? trying is the only way to really find out!! - and i have never flown a Naish so I know I should'nt even be here LOL
terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
2 Aug 2012 9:20pm
martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Well it turns like a 12 in the video.



BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
3 Aug 2012 10:29am
Yes I must admit it turns quite well and I have only flown it in sub 5knot stuff (static)

All claims aside we have one here in Brisbane at the moment if anybody wants to try it out.

Jas
Septic
Septic
47 posts
47 posts
6 Aug 2012 3:09am
Funniest thread I have seen yet. I saw some kid flying one the last time I kited at my local, now wish I had asked for a demo. I was too busy grovelling back upwind for waves to watch how he was doing, if I am not mistaken he went off downwind. I like the idea of a kite that is getting upwind better and floats like a balloon in holes..... If it go's tightly down the line and doesn't go berzerk doing a loop and doesn't wad up in a twist when it gets dropped in the surf and doesn't starting jelly-fishing once OP then fine, I want to try one. Yeah maybe they just got a bit carried away writing the promo after gulping down several cans of Redbull. If nothing else it must be fun for down-winders in marginal wind shadow conditions. What if it does what they claim?
Surfer62
Surfer62
1357 posts
1357 posts
7 Aug 2012 12:22pm
terminal said...

martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Well it turns like a 12 in the video.






Filmed at Pt Henry, Geelong on low tide, the glassy surface is due to the weed beds that stretch a few hundred metres out, looks like a n/easter. Look for the smoke plume from smoke stack in background from the Shell refinery which gives a better indication of wind strength rather than the glassy surface, i've kited it glassy like that at low tide and 20 + knots. No wind speed quoted in video.
Caney
Caney
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
7 Aug 2012 3:20pm
he said 10 knots
ewan kite
ewan kite
VIC
928 posts
VIC, 928 posts
7 Aug 2012 4:22pm
Surfer62 said...

terminal said...

martynbone said...

Instead of bagging a kite you probably haven't flown, why don't you ask to see if someone has flown it yet and if what Naish say is true!!


Well it turns like a 12 in the video.






Filmed at Pt Henry, Geelong on low tide, the glassy surface is due to the weed beds that stretch a few hundred metres out, looks like a n/easter. Look for the smoke plume from smoke stack in background from the Shell refinery which gives a better indication of wind strength rather than the glassy surface, i've kited it glassy like that at low tide and 20 + knots. No wind speed quoted in video.


yer pt wilson was reading between 7-12 average that day and i was riding at least upwind the whole time. Its a pretty sick kite, not guna go all out and pimp it but def give it a try i know alot of people already buying one it might surprise you!
ewan kite
ewan kite
VIC
928 posts
VIC, 928 posts
7 Aug 2012 4:24pm
also there is footage on the onshore side, where it was waist deep and no seaweed. there were no whitecaps anywhere that day, i was almost not going to pump up because you couldnt really feel the wind at all, but i had the new kite so thought i should try it, and turned out to be a sick session!
bjw
bjw
QLD
3690 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3690 posts
7 Aug 2012 5:07pm
So are they saying the Naish 12 metre performs the same as this 18? Isn't that a reflection of their 12?
ewan kite
ewan kite
VIC
928 posts
VIC, 928 posts
8 Aug 2012 6:26am
bjw said...

So are they saying the Naish 12 metre performs the same as this 18? Isn't that a reflection of their 12?


the fly is 15 not 18
KSSALTONA
KSSALTONA
VIC
207 posts
VIC, 207 posts
8 Aug 2012 12:49pm
ewan kite said...

also there is footage on the onshore side, where it was waist deep and no seaweed. there were no whitecaps anywhere that day, i was almost not going to pump up because you couldnt really feel the wind at all, but i had the new kite so thought i should try it, and turned out to be a sick session!


Yeh there was no wind that day, i was going to go down too but didnt bother because the wind was so light. I was surprised when Ewan got back and showed me the video
nick_oss
nick_oss
6 posts
6 posts
11 Aug 2012 5:21am
Two Words:

Fat Lady!!
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
11 Aug 2012 8:27pm
nick_oss said...

Two Words:

Fat Lady!!


If thats what turns you on by all means enjoy. Dont forget the flour.

Evan Chia
Evan Chia
QLD
41 posts
QLD, 41 posts
13 Aug 2012 5:49pm
I tried it yesterday. Thanks Jason. I was very impressed with its turning speed and it has the best low end of any light wind inflatable kite I've tried.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
15 Aug 2012 6:14pm
Evan Chia said...

I tried it yesterday. Thanks Jason. I was very impressed with its turning speed and it has the best low end of any light wind inflatable kite I've tried.


Hi Evan,
which l/w kites have you tried?
I'm thinking-

Griffin Argo 17m
Nth Dino
Blade Fat lady
Epic Infinity
Ozone Zephyr

Any of these? I'm sure there would definitely be a few other good choices out there, but a lot of people here are rating the fly which is good to hear.
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
15 Aug 2012 9:50pm
pattiecannon said...

Evan Chia said...

I tried it yesterday. Thanks Jason. I was very impressed with its turning speed and it has the best low end of any light wind inflatable kite I've tried.


Hi Evan,
which l/w kites have you tried?
I'm thinking-

Griffin Argo 17m
Nth Dino
Blade Fat lady
Epic Infinity
Ozone Zephyr

Any of these? I'm sure there would definitely be a few other good choices out there, but a lot of people here are rating the fly which is good to hear.



A few very different kites built for different purposes there. What is it you want to achieve?
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
16 Aug 2012 8:07pm
G'day all,

I found it interesting that Naish have said that the new Naish Fly 15m has the power of an 18m, and turns like a 12m. Over a weekend recently I got to test the Fly and put it head to head against a little list of proven light wind kites. We had on hand Dyno 18m, Dyno 16m, and Ozone Edge 17m.

First interesting thing was the size of the kites, and as a quick test we layed the 18m at the bottom thinking it was the biggest then the 17m, 16m and the 15m last being the top one. Sure enough, the 18m was the longest but the mid section area (where you would think you get the power from) was not the biggest. The Naish Fly was clearly larger than the 18m, up until the last quater strut where the 18m just came out, and if you think about it, not really doing much for lift in this area.

We pumped up the kites and shuffled them about and no matter which way we put them, the Fly was bigger, with about 4 or 5 inches more canopy on the trailing edge, up to the last quater strut panel, the Fly again was bigger.

The Fly has has a huge tip and it appears that the turning/steering tow point is way out further than all of the other kites so I would say this is the reason it can turn faster, hence turns like a 12m which it did in our flying test.

But the true test for me was the flying test and although the Fly is a great kite, for my heavy arse (ass) the Dyno 18m is the clear winner for power, 17m Edge next then the Dyno 16m and you can imagine, the sizes would probably be a reason for this. The most glaring difference was the turning speed and the upwind wasn't as good as the high aspect kites. The power of the Fly was good, just not as good as the others and keep in mind, I am heavy.

Turning speed the Fly was the winner but not by as much as you think with the Dyno 18m by far the slowest which isn't a bad thing at all, just the way it was designed (park and ride).

My son has riden the Fly for the past 3 days and is really enjoying it and loves it but then again he's into the flicky stuff and I figure this is where the Fly is aiming for, rather than the shear power and speed. I couldn't get it to go upwind near as well as my Dyno 18m, or jump it as well but it did loop nicer, but I could get the 16m Dyno to go just as quick in the loops but remember I'm a little different as I'm really heavy and tend to get different results than others as I can put alot of force into it when I need to. Infact, if the Ozone Edge isn't pumped to 8 or 9 psi, every kite loop the leading edge would fold, where as the Dyno's didn't show any folding or distortion.

I can't comment on upper wind range except that I know the Dyno's and Edge are fantastic, and all jump really well, just not sure on the Naish Fly.

Interesting indeed, power of an 18m, turns like a 12m is mostly true.

cheers for now,

Robbie :D

edit: Tested a Rebel 2010 16m and a Core XR 17m on different day but very similar winds and conditions and they felt they had less power but the Core had very similar turning speed.









eppo
eppo
WA
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WA, 9792 posts
16 Aug 2012 7:59pm
Good info puertz, nicely done man.
pattiecannon
pattiecannon
QLD
593 posts
QLD, 593 posts
18 Aug 2012 6:56pm
BrisKites said...

pattiecannon said...

Evan Chia said...

I tried it yesterday. Thanks Jason. I was very impressed with its turning speed and it has the best low end of any light wind inflatable kite I've tried.


Hi Evan,
which l/w kites have you tried?
I'm thinking-

Griffin Argo 17m
Nth Dino
Blade Fat lady
Epic Infinity
Ozone Zephyr

Any of these? I'm sure there would definitely be a few other good choices out there, but a lot of people here are rating the fly which is good to hear.



A few very different kites built for different purposes there. What is it you want to achieve?


Hey Thanks BK,
Yeh, all I'm after is kite time when the wind is light. So going up wind and staying on top of the water is what it's about. Park and ride is all I'm after. That 18m Dyno is sounding the goods.
Cheers
Thanks Puertz - killer review - awesome :)
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