G'day,

just wondering if any one has opinions on the North Dyno 2011 yet?

Thanks,

Robbie

Giday Robbie ,,, I have flowen the north dyno 18 a few times now and i find it to be a great kite. Tagged as a light wind race kite it is high aspect and light weight due to ligher weight cloth used for the leading edge and struts , no dacron trailing edge just the tecnoforce ripstop nylon all the way to the leech line (that dose cause the wingtips to flutter (or fart ,,lol ) through hard turns or loops ) . No one pump ethier (I must be getting lazy ) . The kite has good flight manners and dosn't do any thing wierd. i rode the kite in as low as 7 knots with a nobile flying carpet and up to about 14 knots with my 134 brunnoti pro x with minamal depower used and did not feel over powered , north rates this kite 5-15 knots . The kite has good upwind performance due to its high aspect ratio and it's fast if you let it run. It uses the standed north bar about 55cm with 4 or 5 line setup , i used the 5 line setup as it makes relaunch in light wind easier. I thought the bar might be a bit short for a big kite but it seemed to work well enough. I would like to try the 16 one day but for light wind you can't beat square meters ,,,,, good winds ,,, grant s
North dyno 18
Two settings light bar , heavy bar

Torch said...

you've changed Robbie Naish sounded heaps cooler than Robbie North

...ha ha ha, changed 'bout 5 years ago dude

Ironic, but I didn't lke the way the valves fell off the Naish at the time when I was pro naish and fait stepped in when the Naish 20m kite I ordered didn't turn up but a Rhino did instead so I took it anyway and didn't look back. Little did I know the drama's I would have with valves on the north kites though This years kites are so far so good, touch wood no problems yet!

cheers for now,

Robbie

G'day Robbie,

I was lucky enough to grab Briskites demo 18 and 2011 raceboard for the weekend. We had racing at the local yacht club (see Qld thread) and it was 10-14knts dead East...
I have been riding my own north race 2010 and zephyr for a season.

The dyno 18 is a really nice kite (for a big kite) it is not a truck, it flies to the edge if the window better than the Zep, it seems to turn faster. Above all it has REAL park n ride power... Something I felt the Zep lacked in under 14 knts.
The Dyno 18 has a very High Aspect ratio and a projected area of just over 12m!

I did a massive upwinder on my Raceboad in 8-12 knts for comparison last Fri after picking it up and it was just awesome, only kite out on the water.
Sat the breeze improved to about 15knts out on the bay during the racing and on the reaches I was wishing I had the 16m as the power of apparent wind at 16-18knts of board speed was taking it's toll on the legs. Running the optional 5 line set up allowed for accurate trimming and depower.

Looks like it's time to upgrade the Zep... Only question is 16 or 18m?

Hope this helps, Chris.

Puetz said...

bandit3 said...

oh by the way , the north dyno 18 ( the same one pictured ) with north race board won it's first race "The Green Island Marathon" on saturday the 12-3-11 in brisbane , check out the GREEN ISLAND MARATHON post in the qld (seqka) link of this forum or maybe the briskites website ...

G'day Bandit3,

thanks for that. I like the look of the kite, looks like a big Bandit4 to be honest.

Just wondering, does it have truck like tendancies, ie pull you down wind. From what you have said, I deduced that if it pulls upwind well it doesn't pull too much downwind, and therefore making the kite only useful to the bigger guys (like my old Rhino 06 20m). I love the Rebel 2011 and can only hope that the Dyno has family traits and is almost the same feel.

Do you have any other big kites you can compare the Dyno too? I would love to hear your opinions!

cheers for now,

Robbie

Well Robbie , I weigh in at 84 kg and had no probs holding the dyno. It is a race kite, high aspect , ie long and thin so it likes to run closer to the edge of the window = better up wind , lower aspect like the rhino ie shorter fatter sit further back in the window = more truck not so good up wind. As with all big kites the secret is try not to sign the kite, try to park the kite while you use the board to build your speed ( signing brings the kite back toward the middle of the window and you will get hauled downwind ) and use the depower trim ( the more depower you can run the better, the kite may feel a bit softer but it will fly faster and closer to the edge of the window = better upwind , the more power you give the kite is just like holding the bar in to much the kite will fly slower and sit back further in the window = more truck downwind ) big kites do fly slower than their smaller siblings and that is why bigger the kite the higher aspect it should be. But anyways i really liked the dyno , speed , upwind , good wind range , and quality. I'm hopeing to try the griffin 16 & griffin argo 16 soon . might try a ozone zepher 17 just for a comparision , but in my opinion the the dyno is the better of the inflatable kites on the market at the moment .

KiteNutt said...

bennie said...

do you think the lack of dacron on the leading edge and struts would lead to stretching over time? and also make the kite very delicate, undurable?

The lack of dacron is on the trailing edge.
I suppose All kites have a lifespan, it's is more delicate than a normal kite but no more than my Zephyr. I doubt it would stretch much more than any other kite if looked after, it has warnings all over it to only inflate to 6psi. I have a lazyman Electric pump so getting 6 psi is easy.... It has one massive leading edge!

"Tagged as a light wind race kite it is high aspect and light weight due to ligher weight cloth used for the leading edge and struts ",

I copy and pasted that from bandits post above. 6psi max would suggest that pumping too hard would stretch/deform the leadinding edge over time

bennie said...

KiteNutt said...

bennie said...

do you think the lack of dacron on the leading edge and struts would lead to stretching over time? and also make the kite very delicate, undurable?

The lack of dacron is on the trailing edge.
I suppose All kites have a lifespan, it's is more delicate than a normal kite but no more than my Zephyr. I doubt it would stretch much more than any other kite if looked after, it has warnings all over it to only inflate to 6psi. I have a lazyman Electric pump so getting 6 psi is easy.... It has one massive leading edge!

"Tagged as a light wind race kite it is high aspect and light weight due to ligher weight cloth used for the leading edge and struts ",

I copy and pasted that from bandits post above. 6psi max would suggest that pumping too hard would stretch/deform the leadinding edge over time

G'day Bennie , I see your point you are making and all i can say is that every thing is relative, 1 Light wind kites don't get used every weekend, 2 Your not going to be flying it in any more than 15-16 knots ( I have a 11 bandit for 15-28 knots ), 3 It's not going to be slamming the water in 20+ knots after a botched f16, 4 The matieral on the leading edge is very well reinforced and is of tecnoforce origin ( Check photo's i did take a close up shot of the matieral for that exact reason ), 5 It hasn't been out long enough for any issues of that nature to become evident only time will tell. But in my personal opinion i think the kite has a very good build quality and if you take care of it and don't overpump it (6psi max) i don't think that stretching is going to be a problem. Any kite can be damaged if you overpump them. Hope that helps ,,,,,,,,, Good winds ,,,,,,,,, Grant S

Puetz said...

Hey guys, one more question, is the kite 7 struts, I can't tell from the pics ? Cheers, Robbie

hey mate , yep she has 7 struts

G'day again,

Can I ask, the LE material clearly looks different to the usual stuff, will this one be more susceptable to damage from say self-launching off the beach. Sometimes the kite drags across the sand and eventually shows signs of the drags, do you think this new material would be worse even though it is lighter and potentially weaker to high impact (ie when you peg the kite into the water), would it be weaker in this department too?

cheers,

Robbie

Puetz said...

G'day again,

Can I ask, the LE material clearly looks different to the usual stuff, will this one be more susceptable to damage from say self-launching off the beach. Sometimes the kite drags across the sand and eventually shows signs of the drags, do you think this new material would be worse even though it is lighter and potentially weaker to high impact (ie when you peg the kite into the water), would it be weaker in this department too?

cheers,

Robbie

you won't be pegging in to the ground ,remember its a lite wind kite so it all slows down ,;ie speed at which the kite moves; dont think it is to weak ,,remember it is a NORTH ,,

G'day guys,

thanks for info. I do alot of self launching (usually only one to give the sh!tty conditions a go) and eventuallly the kites start to show signs of wear along the leading edge but I think our beaches are are a bit hard and tough on stuff. If the Dyno is as hard wearing as the Rebels then it will be ok and I don't have to worry too much.

I know the Dyno is light weight for light wind efficiency but I hope its not too light for my heavy use, I'll keep the kiteloops and what not to my 14m Rebel and the Dyno for light wind cruising (as intended), if you got the big one out you usually not going hard.

Have you ever tried the Core XL 17m, just wondering as a comparison between the two would be great?

I have an electric pump (got one 'cause I was sick of the hand pumps kept sh!t'n themselves) so its all good there. I remember the good old days when I had a 20m Rhino, now that thing took some pumping, I think it had the longest and biggest leading edge of any kite ever.

cheers for now,

Robbie

G'day Archie00,

thanks for that! As expected, the blood line comes through (which is a good thing by the way), I hoped the Dyno had similar steering to the Rebel and you've confirmed it!

I love the Rebels so liking the Dyno should be easy!

I almost got a Bandit Dos 14m after I demo'd one but I actually had a Rhino on order that hadn't turned up yet and the next day I was about to ask my local dealer to get me one, the Rhino arrived!!. I really like the Bandit but it didn't have the really low grunt I needed, even though I know you can sine it up to speed. Preferred the Dos for kiteloops!

The Core for me is good but it has a soft feel to it that I haven't gotten used too, especially after getting used to the Rebels. The power is great on the Core and is delivered smoothly but again, too smooth. I found I only liked using Core with my North LTD race board although its ok on a TT when the wind picks up. Not the point of me getting the big kite. What I found was that I would constaintly over sheet the Core, like I would with my Rebels, to aggressively steer/sine the kite to get the power but as you know, if the bar is sheeted in too much, the kite slows down and looses power. Rebels handle over sheeting easily!

Anyway, good to hear the Dyno has similar traits of the Rebel!

Cheers for now,

Robbie

can anyone answer why it has the small square tips with the bridle completeing the point .Ss do the same (but without the tip bridle ) on the rally is it aethetic or is there another purpose ie aerodynamics

Puetz said...

Mr float said...

can anyone answer why it has the small square tips with the bridle completeing the point .Ss do the same (but without the tip bridle ) on the rally is it aethetic or is there another purpose ie aerodynamics

... just a logical guess, but I think it is like a strut with the tip cut way. Almost like the Bandit 4, but it happens to be the leading edge. When you pull the steering, the pressure of the "square" tip pushes the kite forward (ie driving it forward), causing the kite it to turn. Now where as if the leading edge continured along, a longer leading edge with a normal strut then the mechanical forces aren't the same or not as strong and therefore the kite doesn't turn as good. Hmmm!

Where I figured this out was when I had a Rhino with the end strut flat, I watched the canopy and how the kite behaved and noticed where and what the kite did. Then another valve in the leading edge failed (it is a North kite after all) and as the leading edge started going flat or less pressure, the kite behaved differently and this is where I really saw why the end strut is so importent for steering speed.

Cut the end tip off if you still have good steering as its waisted area anyway!

What do you think, crap pot theory maybe? Any one else got a different idea?

cheers,

Robbie

I think your theory has merit ...perhaps

... in my opinion 16m would compliment 9 and 12m. 18 seems a fair jump and the numbers (wind ranges numbers) don't seem that much different between the 16 and 18m but then again I haven't tried them yet so what do I know! Just thinking logically but if the low end is similar but the top end is better on the 16m and surely the 16m being smaller will turn better!

Anyway, just a thought!

cheers,

Robbie