The 2013 North Noise is said to be a 7 line kite with even more depower and canopy rigidity. Word is that Eppo and Saffer are drooling and have already placed orders.
Ignore him, Eppo. Never argue with an idiot, they'll pull you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Lol. I reckon 7 lines would be about the only way a noise kite could like get remotely close to a rebels performance. But by then the quality improvements would come at a price so mask would be promoting the next cheap brand equivalent. Oh no another 4 pages of pointless banter.
A lower aspect kite will drift better. As I stated on my previous post in cross-onshore it is about the first kite movement just before you do your bottom turn. This puts the kite deeper in the wind window and then you can follow it. As for questions related to my previous post. I ride unhooked most of the time, and on a surfboard I can surf on the BWS is my choice, but my quiver is Best TS. It drifts without losing power, so does the BWS with a little more turning input required.
No kite will drift endlessly unless in perfect crossshore, and in cross-onshore you still need to turn your kite before you do a turn when going fast down the line.
Technique is still so much more important than the kite youre on. 4 pages f love for what people ride and give their "unbiased" opinions, Its called in marketing terms "post-purchase affintiy".
Hey mask ran into a guy I've known for a while and he tells me he was one of the cofounders of the bws kite brand ( was sitting around with Ben one day and they thought hey let's make our own). He now travels with his family 7 months of the year kiting and making movies for bws.
And yes I've been moping about in an envious pit of sh1t with no bottom all day.
Anyhow he said he will give us a demo on the new model, so will report back. Can't wait.
Ps my life sucks. Lol.
As far as post purchase affinity, can't deny it nor can anyone, but I've also owned and flown many brands throughout every stage in the kite evolution and it has taken me a lot of money and a lot of time to find the one that suites me, and the rebel does. Especially in the last two years when I chopped and changed through 4 different kite makes as I was sick of not having a kite that 'thinks' and acts like I think it should, I was on an impartial mission and was more post neutral.
The kite that has sparked my interest so far is the Best TS. If I was a strapless sb rider, yes the bws would be high if not top on the list, along with the reo.
Anyhow there's more to it than post purchase affinity anyhow.
Pss my life sucks..
is this thread still going, just back from a weekend of wind with the mullaz crew in Dongarra
everyone there decided to try everyone elses kit (boards & kites)
1 question, what is the difference between the 2011 & 2012 noise, we only had a 2011 there so i may need a demo on a 2012 please phil, if there are any changes.
Dunno about BWS but I demoed the 2012 9m Rebel over the weekend.
Me:
No affinity with any brand/shop
85kgs,
Intermediate
Freerider on TT and almost always do DWs. Like to boost big and smash mushy waves.
Used in 18-21 kts DW and 16-18kts static at Contos.
Simply an AWESOME kite!
A true all rounder.
Boosts very nicely and with forgiving landing if your timing is not 100%
Very nice in the waves.
great safety
Trucks of power in all aspects. No probs getting going at 16kts.
Good amount of power through the turns to stay moving on my twin tip but not overpowered. Will pivot turn fast if you want it, but I prefer a wider arc with power maintained and liked this option on the Rebel.
Bar is heavy-ish and kite 'feels' a little heavy in the air (compared to the 3 strut kites I am used to flying the last few years) but is easily compensated by shear power and finesse with that power. It is still agile enough for 80% of kiters I'd say
Finesse is the word. The Rebel does not flap, flutter - nuttin but sit there 100% composed and forming a perfect wing. It honestly does everything well, and most things very well.
I tried riding directly at the kite (to see if it would gently fall back into the window) a few times and could ony achieve a tiny bit of slackness in the lines as the kite perfectly tracked downwind with me, so the lines didn't get super slack.
Not sure this kite would be for rank beginners. Whilst it is very very well behaved and pretty good at relaunching there is serious power [}:)] and grunt on tap, so potential is there to maybe overcook a turn and cop a flogging.
Having said that the depower is great (speshly with the kite staying rigid and not flapping) and the 5th line safety is a winner IMO.
I'm not wild about the clam cleat on the Rebels (don't like clam cleats on any kites) but the extra throw allows better safety with the bar throw I guess.
Build quality is top o' the line. Bungy that keeps lines tucked away and snag free is a goody.
All up a serious kite for anyone who mixes it up a bit. Would like one a lot!
Ride one.
Hey man how goes it Funksta! Getting out much? How's ya camping going with the family? You made some very insightful observations from one ride, though i would comment on them as you and I have always though alike...
Boosts very nicely and with forgiving landing if your timing is not 100%
....Yeh found the same, the 11m is even more forgiving - you can really pivot your body and throw the kite through any part of the wind window...
Will pivot turn fast if you want it, but I prefer a wider arc with power maintained and liked this option on the Rebel.
...Agreed, grab at the end of the bar and turn in straight onto the center lines and this kite will pivot like anything else, even in the bigger 11m size - allows for tight gibes and transitions...
Bar is heavy-ish and kite 'feels' a little heavy in the air (compared to the 3 strut kites I am used to flying the last few years) but is easily compensated by shear power and finesse with that power.
...Agreed it seemed a little heavy after flying the Cores, but the instant power alleviates this - also this means you have a real direct feel with the kite, and know where it is throughou the window without having to look - I actually appreciate it now...
Finesse is the word. The Rebel does not flap, flutter - nuttin but sit there 100% composed and forming a perfect wing. It honestly does everything well, and most things very well.
...Flapping is the aspect of a kite I hate most above all, especially in gusty conditions. Even the quality built Cores would flap somewhat and it really gave me the Sh1ts. This is the main reason I love this kite, the frame doesn't deform at all and this gives a real smooth feel at the bar end, couple this with instant power and an exremely short throw when you need it, yes it does most things well.
I tried riding directly at the kite (to see if it would gently fall back into the window) a few times and could ony achieve a tiny bit of slackness in the lines as the kite perfectly tracked downwind with me, so the lines didn't get super slack.
...yeh tried to explain this after daves (excellent points) post, I am yet to drop this kite, no matter how fast I have ridden at it, allows real tight turns onto a wave as it wraps around the window allowing you to slot into a wave, then catch the kite up. It does pull you off the wave if you don't use correct technique...
Not sure this kite would be for rank beginners. Whilst it is very very well behaved and pretty good at relaunching there is serious power [}:)] and grunt on tap, so potential is there to maybe overcook a turn and cop a flogging.
...Agreed funks, an intermediate rider would be fine due to the control you have, but as I find out if I loop incorrectly, it will punish you...
Having said that the depower is great (speshly with the kite staying rigid and not flapping) and the 5th line safety is a winner IMO.
..another reason I love it - get apparent wind up, set and leave, with minor adjustments of depower. You needn't sine this kite, just ride and have fun. Yeh the fifth line does contribute a lot the performance (tip, always tune your lines on a regular basis and Puertz taught us), but wouldn't want to drop this in the surf all twisted up, this is a definite limitation for me, but then again, don;t drop the kite a whole lot...
I'm not wild about the clam cleat on the Rebels (don't like clam cleats on any kites) but the extra throw allows better safety with the bar throw I guess.
...I still reckon they are better than a strap, the adjustment to shorten the length is awesome as I don't use a whole lot of depower through the center line and tend to use board edging...
All up a serious kite for anyone who mixes it up a bit.
...Yeh that's the key, it is a very good allrounder, non specific which suites my style.
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As for the quickest drifting kite I found the wallend air drifted with the tide quicker than anything. leading edge up or down.
HA HA HA - I remember those matresses. Was flying the New Wave foils at the time...just as bad! Craig used to get some serious air though down scabs. The Wallie aris, blast from the past that one.
^^^ looks like you do give a sh|t, mind you is that a sht from a flying pig or pig sht that flies?
Ah yes another superfluous post as is coming to be expected on this forum. The thread is about rebels and bws kites, so add something to the content or leave it. Or just partake in the lowest common denominator attempt of humor and do a play on words.
For gods sake contribute...
^^^ dude look how many red thumbs your getting! You must be spewing, so now your puking too!! Oh that's my contribution to light entertainment
Geez tuff cowd!
If I owned a Rebel I'd probably be talking and talking about it too.. they ARE that good IMO.
Most kites are hyped beyond a kn joke. Although I don't ride heaps of diff kites the Rebel is the first kite that has made me sit up and woot woot for some time.
Alas, not enough spendies in the pocket to buy a 2012 Rebel for me... yet.
Thumb away but at least Eppo isn't on the payroll and pimping a kite for $$$.
Same can't be said of some people in the previous 3-4 pages.
