2009 Slingy Fuel

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axis
axis
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13 Nov 2008 4:46pm
Hi,

Just picked up my new Fuel 13m. Waiting on the 9m. It looks great! It is colour scheme F30 below.

I am busting to get it out on the water so will give an update when I do and post pics.

Also picked up a 132 Lunacy today! This board looks nice. The extra width will be nice for low end and at first glance the rocker looks similar to the old 129, but the extra length gives the tips more lift.

Mmmmmm.


sorse
sorse
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17 Nov 2008 3:02pm
Bugger you got the same colour as me :-)
axis
axis
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18 Nov 2008 12:27am
Hopefully people will mistake me for you Dave!

Kite: 2009 Fuel 13m (crap pics below)
Rider: 76kg, Level advanced (or I like to think)
Style: All
Weather: 12 picking up to 20 knots (board - lunacy 129)
Disclosure: (shop/team rider)

Build Quality: Excellent.

Satisfaction: So far very satisfied

My Comments:
Gold Logos are pretty bling. Last Fuels to have gold were the '03's.

Only ridden it once last Friday.
Most notable changes to me on a quick inspection are curved LE wingtip, no split strut and and LE appears fatter than previous years. Also, the '08's had 3 options on front lines and this has 2. Ships on 4 line bar with below the bar clip for safety to a front line like the Rev. I will most likely use this for launch and land and ride suicide most of the time. Running out the lines the fronts are thicker than the backs - 800lb. One front line appears longer than the other but this is due to the safety having a bungee at the bar. Pumped to 8PSI on the gauge but don't trust the readings. Felt OK up on the grass but when I got it on the beach thought I should have pumped it up a bit harder.

I have flown with below the bar depower for 2 yrs so no issues with it. Just sometimes need to do a quick turn downwind to pull it on. The grip felt harder than last seasons, but is comfy and looks like the letters won't come off so easily.

The struts either side of the centre strut appear to have been moved out toward the tips. In the air the frame looked and felt more rigid in the centre section than 07/08 despite being 4 line.

Thought I'd try an "SLE" style beach launch (sand the tip of my Fuels usually). This worked very well - kite turned onto it's side and launched easily (did fold over slightly but a pump on the bar opened it up and it was OK. Wind was light and I was going downwind until it picked up a bit. I rigged using the 2nd pigtail on the front, same knots front and back out of the bag. Kite felt great, was well balanced and had good power for the wind strength. Felt good unhooked and I didn't need any trim to unhook in the light stuff - no stalling.

I changed to the front pigtail as the wind picked up and the turning is faster on the front pigtail. Not sure how much more power there is on the rear pigtail - will test more. I expect it to be a bit more power with less depower and slower turning. I will likely end up riding on the front for the faster turning. On '07 and '08 Fuels I always rode the 2nd attachment as I found the front a bit gutless (good for the waves). By the end of the session I was pretty powered, could have gone to a 9m.

Relaunch: I didn't put it in the water and will test next session and report back.

More to come as I get out on it more - and when I get the 9m (I think it's on it's way). Also still need to get out on the new Lunacy.

James



kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
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18 Nov 2008 12:31am
I too have tried to relaunch this. I didn't manage to do it for it relaunched it's self, I didn't want to crash it in the way that you would have a problem with the kite as it wasn't mine + only had an hours flying time on it.

I will tell you though that I am going to be buying one tomorrow and thank you greatly for the colour chart. I duno where to start with the thing now
axis
axis
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18 Nov 2008 11:11am
I didn't get a choice in colour, but did ask not to get the same as 2 other guys in Melb. Get F1 or F10!!!

I had an '07 black & white that looked sick.

I'll do some relaunch testing from the front line safety (will be interesting as there is no stopper) and from suicide this week.

James
axis
axis
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19 Nov 2008 8:25am
Some more pics of tips, strut connection to LE etc.... LE and tips are FAT





axis
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19 Nov 2008 11:42pm
Ok, had 2 more sessions on the 13m. Not massively powered at first. I'd say from under 15 knots up to 18 or so today. Was on the Lunacy 132 (that is another thread to come).

Had a ball. I really like this kite. With the 132 I think I'll get as good if not better low end than my '07 15m.

Was riding suicide. Tried a few tricks that ended up with me and kite in the water. So I got to try the relaunch. Easy as. Pull on a rear leader and the kite lifts a tip out of the water and sits on the other tip - steer it up and you are off. It was that easy. In fact a couple of times it turned over ready to relaunch as soon as I'd grabbed the bar and hadn't hooked in.

See link below - it was that easy. Not sure how little wind it will do this in....

Still haven't tried releasing to the front line reride and relaunching from that. Will also try reverse.



James
LouD
LouD
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20 Nov 2008 9:52am
Upwind OK with the larger leading edge?
Hope so. Have just ordered mine.
axis
axis
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20 Nov 2008 10:42pm
So far upwind is good. The 13 likes to be edged against and depending on the conditions can take a bit of technique. Haven't got my 9m yet but from watching a mate with one the 9 rips upwind just like previous years.

Taylor 88
Taylor 88
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21 Nov 2008 5:55am
hey guys has any one tryed the len10 pro bar yet, if so tell me wot thats like? cheers taylor
axis
axis
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21 Nov 2008 9:04am
HAven't tried the pro bar but it is essentially like the '04 bar set up with 20m 800lb lines - so less depower, locked adjustable stopper, above the bar depower cleat.

I have an '04 bar set up on 20m lines and it is heaps of fun - but I don't ride it much.

Hector
Hector
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22 Nov 2008 7:27pm
Whats the 09 13m Fuel like for riding waves?
axis
axis
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23 Nov 2008 11:39am
Hector said...

Whats the 09 13m Fuel like for riding waves?


Don't know but I'd think you'd be better off with a smaller kite. The low end on the 9m appears great (I kite with a guy who has one) and the 13m is pretty grunty. To ride waves I'd be on something smaller.

HowieD
HowieD
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25 Nov 2008 2:23pm
Having a lot of fun on my new Bandit Dos 10m and getting into more wakestyle/unhooked riding. Have historically been on mainly hybrids - now considering whether to move onto a C or just stick with what I know.

Any useful thoughts here? Would the transition onto a new Fuel be worthwhile? Anyone been on both that can offer some guidance?
sorse
sorse
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25 Nov 2008 3:58pm
Fuel is really great main thing you have to learn in goign to a c is the water relaunch.. Totally different..
But not that hard if your a confidnet rider and knwo what your doing..
I manged on the weekend to relaunch my fuel really easily repeated when there was almost no wind, and gusty with out the fifth line as new one deosn't come with it..
just pull in front line and then the opposite outside line and I had my kite in the air faster then Andy yates on his 08's in 5 liine..
jimmyck
jimmyck
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26 Nov 2008 3:39am
Hows the depower? Got Cab Switchies at the moment and don't want to be hanging on for dear life!

cheers,

jcK
axis
axis
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27 Nov 2008 10:33pm
Depower is good - won't be what you are used to on a switchblade, but if you get the right size for your conditions you'll be OK. The 13 m has a lot of power - think I've had it out to about 20 knots so far. You need to also use your edging and board speed to control the power.

I have never been too good at riding bow style kites as I tend to power them up and edge too hard stalling then and making them really heavy on the bar.

Just might take some getting used to.

Got my 9m yesterday - same colour as my 13m (sorry Dave). Looks good. Here are some pics:






jimmyck
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27 Nov 2008 11:49pm
Cheers mate! I weigh 150 pounds - kite winds 10 - 30 mph.

Do you think a 11m/7m combo should b good to go?

I have flown Fuels from previous years and the low end was to be desired. Apparently the low end is better this year compared to previous years? I also had the problem of edging to hard when i first started riding bow style kites - really miss the direct feel of a C kite.

Any comments on the '09 Fuel in waves?

Respect,

JcK
HowieD
HowieD
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29 Nov 2008 11:27am
So - who has these in stock? I'm in Sydney and would love to get my hands on an 11m...
axis
axis
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1 Dec 2008 3:07pm
Hi JCK,

The '09s seem to have better low end than '07 and '08. I am 76kg and on 13 + 9 in Melb. mostly I'll ride in 15 to 25 knots but will get some range either side.

11 and 7 would be OK depending on the low end you want. The REV seems to be THE kite for waves, but if you are riding mostly flat/chop/bay a Fuel would be OK for the odd wave. That's what I do.

Howie, all I know is RPS in Melb had an 11m in stock last week. Not sure about in Syd.

HowieD
HowieD
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1 Dec 2008 9:57pm
Thanks Axis. I ordered an 11m today which should arrive by the end of the week
HowieD
HowieD
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10 Dec 2008 2:09pm
My 11m arrived on Monday :) - still not been out on it yet but it looks the n_ts. Just need to get over my knee/ankle injury.... or kite with 1 leg.
jimmyck
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11 Dec 2008 6:27am
Axis - what knots do you use for your outside and center lines for the Fuel? My 11m is oversheeting horribly - i put it on the 2nd knot on the pigtail for all 4 lines.

Thanx
mattflyingaway
mattflyingaway
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20 Dec 2008 4:49pm
New fuel is sooooo goood,
doesnt need the fifth line which is coool it, takes a while to explain to people that a four line can re-launch faster than their 5 line kites.
ive got f21 colours and it looks sweet
BEST FUEL EVER![}:)]
axis
axis
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23 Dec 2008 9:42am
jimmyck said...

Axis - what knots do you use for your outside and center lines for the Fuel? My 11m is oversheeting horribly - i put it on the 2nd knot on the pigtail for all 4 lines.

Thanx


Hi Jimmy,

I use the same knot front and back (usually the shortest). I haven't had issues with oversheeting on the 13m or 9m. Set like this I still need to pull a touch of trim in to unhook even if it is light. If it is nuking like yesterday's northerly I rig the front lines a knot or two shorter than the back. Didn't need to adjust anything out of the bag. Are your lines perfectly even?

I also use the front attachment on the kite. Have used the rear attachment on the 13m but haven't played with it too much.

Hey Matt, F21 would be nice. Just dry the kite out or don't leave it packed up wet for long as I find the black can discolour the rest of the kite, and white is most susceptible.

I am so impressed with the relaunch. Downed my 13m last Sat a lot trying a new move and often by the time I pulled the bar in the kite was up on its side ready to go. I am riding suicide. Still haven't tried relaunching from the front line below the bar safety. Can anyone report on this?

See ya,
James
HowieD
HowieD
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11 Jan 2009 11:34pm
Just a quick note to anyone considering the Fuel. The relaunch is friggen amazing. I've previously ridden hybrids (mainly bandit and bandit dos) but this kite is just unreal. I have an 11m and am finding my personal progression very fast on this kite as it is so stable and relaunches easier than any kite I've had. Never ridden C kites before but if you put one of these in the water you literally pull either leader line and it pops onto it's side instantly. You can take it over to the side of the window and relaunch gently or hot launch it and away you go. Self launching / landing are a breeze.

Also low end really is very good. My 11m can't defy the laws of physics but is more than adequate in moderate wind wind others are out on 12m bows.

Gotta say Slingy have got the recipe dead on with this one (for me anyway). Had 5 hours on it today and am super stoked.

axis
axis
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12 Jan 2009 12:52am
HowieD said...

Just a quick note to anyone considering the Fuel. The relaunch is friggen amazing.


relaunch on 13m and 9m is awesome too. Had 1 issue relaunching the 9m underpowered, ended up trying to put it on its back and it flipped and folded on itself. A mate kited by a few times and unfolded it, then it relaunched.

Are you riding suicide? I am, and still haven't tried the CSS safety on the water - I use it for landing.

HowieD
HowieD
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12 Jan 2009 2:01am
Yep - riding suicide. All good although sometimes the leash connection gets in the way a bit when hooking back in.

What a great kite!
O
O
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O O
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28 Jan 2009 1:42pm
Am thinking about getting this year's fuel but have heard that people are constantly replacing the trim rope that goes through the bar. Havent seen any forum comments on this but now they have been out for a while - what do the fuel owners think about the wear? I know some have even switched back to last year's bar and made other mods?
axis
axis
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28 Jan 2009 8:17pm
O said...

Am thinking about getting this year's fuel but have heard that people are constantly replacing the trim rope that goes through the bar. Havent seen any forum comments on this but now they have been out for a while - what do the fuel owners think about the wear? I know some have even switched back to last year's bar and made other mods?


Hi O,

I've used '07, '08 and '09 fuels and only replaced trim rope after a full season on the bar on the '07's. Not too bad. So far the '09 is holding up OK. I have found the greatest wear point for me is the on the ring at the top of the trim line, but some people find it is the section that the bar sits on towards the barrel below the bar (if that makes sense). I have heard of people wearing theirs out really quickly but can't comment on that as I don't know what they are doing!

There will be a certain smartarse (you know who you are Juggler) who will say I don't kite enough which is why mine is OK!!!! I try to get out a couple of times a week but over Chrismas/New year did a lot of kiting.

There is also a post here
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=40121&SearchTerms=rev,depower,replacement
that talks about the wear. There was another post about replacing with a different line and it had pics but I can't find it - may be on another forum

re. switching back to older bars - The '09 setup is essentially the same as '07 & '08 but no 5th line - just the CSS safety. Some guys are setting up like the '04/'05 which is the same as the LEN10 Pro Bar. I find the stock bar good - I use the sliding stopper a lot and ride suicide so I like the depower on the CL with the stopper all the way up for when I eat sh%t unhooked.

Anyway, I reckon don't let it put you off - let me know if you have more qns. Awesome kites. The line is also easy to replace.

J
juggler
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29 Jan 2009 12:44am
Hey I'll remember this next time you loose your board ...

Yeah you don't kite enough with me

And yeah i found my chicken loop rope wearing really quick as i found the rope was too thick going through the hole, so i have modded it to the old style chicken loop with depower above the bar, good times now
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