Which knot do I tie for what type of wind?

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Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
12 Jan 2011 8:11pm
My gear was 2nd hand and I couldnt quite remember what lines to tie to what notches
I found a link that I cant post, but heres a cut paste:
"For the purpose of this I will number the knots-
Closest to kite
Middle Knot
Farthest from kite
L = Front Lines
T= Rear Lines

Many combinations will give exactly the same results-

L1+T1, L2+T2, L3+T3

L1+T2, L2+T3

L2+T1, L3+T2 (Not that you would use these)

I would suggest the following-

L2+T2 For your standard settings on most days.
L2+T3 For winds over 22knt
L1+T3 For winds over 28knt
L2+T1 For winds under 13knt

Hope this helps in some way."

I was never going to remember Old Sons formula without visual aid so decided to draft up my own little chart for translative purposes.
The link seems to be particular to a 13m Slingshot Rev, I have a 15m Rev and am a hugeman so will use those formulas. Not sure whether they translate to other brands or what?

As Im a noob, if anyone can chime in and let me know if anything is incorrect I will amend it accordingly.
Cheers Ears ;)
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
12 Jan 2011 8:43pm
Not sure what you are doing wrong but I just found what I assume is your drawing in the kiting photo's page clicked on share and copied the link then pasted it here.




I don't fly Revs but yeah I can see what you are getting at, the principle is the same on all kites. As the wind picks up you reduce power by making the rear lines longer or the front shorter (or both), which has the same effect as pulling depower with straps or cleat or whatever slingshot use (which really just shortens the front lines anyway) but if it is done at the kite it means you still have the full depower available to you at the bar.
Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
12 Jan 2011 9:22pm
Thanks for that tightlines, Im not 100% on why to shorten the middle line (frontline,cleat diggler)

, I was told so the depower to full power distance was decreased, but thought there was more to it. So effectively it actually depowers the kite more? I just keep it at full length coz Im still a body dragging noob, who cant find anything on the net anywhere on why you adjust the middle lines (frontlines cleat) length.
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
12 Jan 2011 9:44pm
Im not very good at explaining things but would suggest that if you haven't already, have a lesson and your instructor should be able to make it make sense.
kiter zac
kiter zac
QLD
295 posts
QLD, 295 posts
13 Jan 2011 12:01am
i would suggest for winds under 13 knot to set the lines up the same as 'semi-strong' winds, this will trim the kite better so it doesnt back stall as much when the bar is pulled in. heaps of kiters ride with their kites too powered up when the winds are light and lose a lot of the power when the kite stalls.
Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
12 Jan 2011 10:02pm
Cheers Zac, yeh that clears it up a bit, was in sub 13 knots practicing but kite was stalling, but then again could have been anything.

Tightlines yeh ive had lessons, just that more questions arise as you progress, and wasnt actually told more when I asked apart from the reason i already mentioned.(my fault for not asking too I spose) Im pretty sure I get the gist of what it does, but I spose I need more experience to really know its full potential, thanks for your help mate.
Bigwavedave
Bigwavedave
QLD
2057 posts
QLD, 2057 posts
13 Jan 2011 1:58am
It really makes no difference. Your trip strap (depower adjustment) makes those knots redundant.

Use the middle knots front and back.
NSW, 4382 posts
13 Jan 2011 9:18am
Bigwavedave said...

It really makes no difference. Your trip strap (depower adjustment) makes those knots redundant.

Use the middle knots front and back.


100% agree with Dave, the knots are confusing and you should only use the middle knots on the front and rear lines.
Adjust for wind strength and bar position with the trimmer system.
The knots should only be used to compensate for line stretch.

KIT33R
KIT33R
NSW
1716 posts
NSW, 1716 posts
13 Jan 2011 10:19am
If you are going to use different knots, make sure you know why you are making the changes. This implies understanding how a kite flies. If you don't know, start a discussion with more experienced people.

I have seen people create long stearing lines in strong winds by attaching to the furthest knot from the kite,then haul in masses of trim strap and wonder why the kite is slow and unresponsive.
Toots
Toots
WA
271 posts
WA, 271 posts
13 Jan 2011 7:20am
The penny drops, thanks fellas, Cheers ;)
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
13 Jan 2011 12:19pm
Looks like you have it figuired out but just out of interest I come from a very strong sailing background and understanding kite trim has been so much easier due to understanding sail trim.
Also commented to and experienced kiter about apparent wind and how it was powering up the kite and he was like "huh?"
I guess the terms can be different but when it all comes down to it a kite and sail are both an aerofoil.
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
13 Jan 2011 1:11pm
rumblefish said...

Looks like you have it figuired out but just out of interest I come from a very strong sailing background and understanding kite trim has been so much easier due to understanding sail trim.
Also commented to and experienced kiter about apparent wind and how it was powering up the kite and he was like "huh?"
I guess the terms can be different but when it all comes down to it a kite and sail are both an aerofoil.


Kitesurfing is just three dimensional sailing. Apparent wind works same as sailing but add the third dimension because apparent wind window theory gets really fun when you include mega boosting and looking at the apparent wind window throughout each stage of the jump.

Total fun!

DM

PS: Like Steve Said, Use the pigtail knots as corrctions for line stretch. Trim and depower should be done at the bar. If the kite is maxxed out with bar trim and depower in strong wind, you probably shouldn't be going out!

DM
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Jan 2011 4:48pm
AKSonline said...

If the kite is maxxed out with bar trim and depower in strong wind, you probably shouldn't be going out on that sized kite - rig smaller!


Aww that's no fun Darren - fixed that for you...
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