Noob issues with getting into the straps

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rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
16 Jan 2011 11:55pm
Hey all,

Just finished my 2nd 2hr lesson and just loving it!!

Got up and downwind body dragging sorted, launching landing etc. all no problem at all. In fact as far as kite handling my instructor thinks I'm probably the most competant and fastest learning student he has ever had, very stoked with the compliment as you can imagine!!

Got one issue though..........I have a leg disability and it means I have very little lifting movement with my feet, eg. toes towards head.

I spent 1/2 an hour in the water trying to get the bloody board on my feet, got it to stay there for a bit but not very well.

Would heel straps work/help??

Any other tips??

Atleast my next (and last) 2hr lesson we will just concentrate on the board. Planning to take an old board I have down to the beach to practice before my next lesson.

Cheers,

RF
ApatheticEnd
ApatheticEnd
WA
995 posts
WA, 995 posts
16 Jan 2011 9:55pm
Maybe try getting your feet in while holding the grab handle. Maybe instead try to grab the back of the board behind the pad and slide your foot in. That way there should be less toe up motion required.

I'm not exactly sure, just spitballing. That motion, toes up, I found to be pretty important but i'm sure you'll manage just fine with some small adaptations. There is a bloke here who was learning a while back who's got one hand! Bloody good stuff.
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
17 Jan 2011 2:42am
Cheers for that, if someone with one hand can do it I will get there with two half working feet!!

Got an old board here to learn on and just had a brain wave.

One of my issues for me with the board I was using today was that I need the board to be flatter than most people would have it to get my feet in and with the single handle along the board, controlling the boards angle (flat or vertical) with the handle was nearly impossible.

So my old board has no handle so I'm going to put two handles made out of webbing, one along the board and one across the board. This will hopefully allow me to hold the board on any angle and maybe the one needed to get my feet into the straps!!

Will install this week and then take the board to my last lesson.

The only problem then (if it works) is this will hurt the resale of any new board I get as there will be 8 extra holes!!!

Anyway, will do it properly, epoxy the holes etc.

Now just can't wait till next week!!

Please all pray for good breeze next Monday as I haven't even stood on the board yet and I'm addicted!!!

The downwind body drag back to the beach, flying the kite back and forth and playing with the amount of power from the bar, was one of the funnest things I have done in a looooong time, well outside the bedroom anyway!!!

RF

Oh and if anyone is looking to get lessons I can highly recommend Jamie from WA Surf. Really nice guy (for a kiwi) who explained things very well and let me progress at my own pace!!
nebbian
nebbian
WA
6277 posts
WA, 6277 posts
16 Jan 2011 11:51pm
I wouldn't use heel straps, as you often have to kick the board off when things go pear-shaped.

If you had a heel strap on there then chances are you'd twist your ankle or hurt your leg due to it being trapped and connected to the board.

I'd keep trying with it (sounds like you're a fast learner, lucky sod) and if you're still having trouble then perhaps investigate boots. They look kooky but they might help in your situation.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
1614 posts
VIC, 1614 posts
17 Jan 2011 10:24am
Rather than drill new holes in your board you could put a piece of webbing between the inside footstrap screws to use as a handle.

Some learners have a tendency to want their straps super tight but as they get better they realise they can still jump and keep the board on with slightly looser straps. Good luck.
ryebloke
ryebloke
VIC
54 posts
VIC, 54 posts
17 Jan 2011 10:24am
You could look into configuring some type of straps to assist, lengthen to your requirements.

idea is you put fabric or what ever material either side of foot, on foot pad straps, pull against straps to push foot into foot pads,

they may flap around a slightly when your charging , but nil safety issues, you wont have to damage boards this way,

hope the pics explain what i am on about, (only one strap is in the pics)




harry potter
harry potter
VIC
2777 posts
VIC, 2777 posts
17 Jan 2011 1:30pm
^^^^ try to avoid drilling holes in your board and use one of the above suggested methods. Once you have improved a bit more and water starts become simple second nature then you will probably not need the mod.

I am assuming that part of your problem ( aside from the half working feet ) is that it takes you a little while to get the kite sorted and you are waiting in the water trying to keep the board on your feet for 10 -20 -30 seconds whilst you get the kite ready. This would be particularly difficult if you cannot raise your toes... however...........

Once you have the water starting down pat, you will basically put board on feet dive kite and away you go a 2-5 second process and you will not have that need to hook your toes and keep the board in place whilst you sort out what you are doing.
Its all possible... think of how the guys ride strapless or a wakeskate ...waterstarts with no straps at all.

Good luck with it
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
17 Jan 2011 3:18pm
harry potter said...

^^^^ try to avoid drilling holes in your board and use one of the above suggested methods. Once you have improved a bit more and water starts become simple second nature then you will probably not need the mod.

I am assuming that part of your problem ( aside from the half working feet ) is that it takes you a little while to get the kite sorted and you are waiting in the water trying to keep the board on your feet for 10 -20 -30 seconds whilst you get the kite ready. This would be particularly difficult if you cannot raise your toes... however...........

Once you have the water starting down pat, you will basically put board on feet dive kite and away you go a 2-5 second process and you will not have that need to hook your toes and keep the board in place whilst you sort out what you are doing.
Its all possible... think of how the guys ride strapless or a wakeskate ...waterstarts with no straps at all.

Good luck with it



More fantastic advice, thanks all!!

Have a few ideas to try but never though of the strapless thing so I'm sure I'll get there.
Have managed to get both feet in but of course my feet want to sink and the board float so they tend to fall out again.

My old board has no handle at all so going to put one in. Also a mate has suggested a thin piece of shock cord around the heel of the bindings, just enough to hold my feet in while I get the kite sorted.
Once I'm in I should have no issues, spent 1/2 an hour with the kite flying and trying to get into the straps and only crashed the kite once!!!

Those Cabrina bindings look great, any ideas where in Perth I can look at a set??

Cheers again all,

terminal
terminal
1421 posts
1421 posts
17 Jan 2011 9:32pm
You might have a problem when riding to dig the heel edge in if you are restricted in pulling your feet upward. That may mean you have to build a wedge under the heel of the mounting plates for the straps, so you make the most of your range of movement.
In the meantime, making a custom handle should help you get the board onto your feet. If you get both feet in, you can wiggle them from side to side to get them in further and then twist them sideways to lock them in place. Once riding, you get some pressure you can use to push them in further.
NSW, 4382 posts
18 Jan 2011 3:19pm
rumblefish said...

harry potter said...

^^^^ try to avoid drilling holes in your board and use one of the above suggested methods. Once you have improved a bit more and water starts become simple second nature then you will probably not need the mod.

I am assuming that part of your problem ( aside from the half working feet ) is that it takes you a little while to get the kite sorted and you are waiting in the water trying to keep the board on your feet for 10 -20 -30 seconds whilst you get the kite ready. This would be particularly difficult if you cannot raise your toes... however...........

Once you have the water starting down pat, you will basically put board on feet dive kite and away you go a 2-5 second process and you will not have that need to hook your toes and keep the board in place whilst you sort out what you are doing.
Its all possible... think of how the guys ride strapless or a wakeskate ...waterstarts with no straps at all.

Good luck with it



More fantastic advice, thanks all!!

Have a few ideas to try but never though of the strapless thing so I'm sure I'll get there.
Have managed to get both feet in but of course my feet want to sink and the board float so they tend to fall out again.

My old board has no handle at all so going to put one in. Also a mate has suggested a thin piece of shock cord around the heel of the bindings, just enough to hold my feet in while I get the kite sorted.
Once I'm in I should have no issues, spent 1/2 an hour with the kite flying and trying to get into the straps and only crashed the kite once!!!

Those Cabrina bindings look great, any ideas where in Perth I can look at a set??

Cheers again all,




Kite Addiction is the Cabrinha dealer for Perth
Unit 1/17 Hulme Court,
Myaree megaplex,
Myaree, WA 6154
Ph 9329 9333 or 93299339

When you are trying to get your feet on the board, first body drag with the board in your front hand out well past the shorebreak and upwind of other kiters - basically so that you are not in the way.
Decide which way you are going to head, and lest say thats to the left. Grab the board by the rail at the opposite right hand end and put left leg onto board, wiggle it as quickly as possible into the strap.
You kite should be overhead or slightly off to the right when you do this, left hand in the centre of the bar on the left side of the centre hole, but very close to the centre line.
Once you have your left foot on the strap, steer the kite up a little, by pulling a bit on the bar, and at the same time pull the board and lift your right foot onto the board. At this stage your right foot does not need to be in the strap just on the right side of the board.
Now grab the bar with both hands and wiggle the board back and forth until your feet are in the straps.

I wear a very restrictive knee brace and have some muscle wasting in my left leg, this is how I get on the board, practice makes perfect. I'm sure you will work it out in time if you are very passionate about learning to kite.
QLD, 481 posts
18 Jan 2011 7:46pm
If your trying to make a cheap tempory handle try poly pipe between the foot straps its cheap fairly solid and you dont have to drill holes usually (have seen it done several times ) dosnt look to flash but works, once you get it right you dont realy need a handle but it is nice
Hope this helps
George
rumblefish
rumblefish
TAS
824 posts
TAS, 824 posts
18 Jan 2011 10:46pm
Again, thanks heaps for all your replies, pretty stoked with the advice!!

Have ended up putting a piece or rope between the straps and shockcord between the binding screws. The rope has a loop in the middle that the shockcord passes through so it keeps the rope close to the board and hopefully out of the way.
Having the rope all the way between the straps means I can more forcefully and with more direction pull my feet into the straps.

I have also put some inner tube rubber around the back of the bindings to hold my foot in. Hopefully this will keep my feet in for a bit while I get the kite sorted for a launch. I have also found that if I lean fwd I my heels pop out of the rubber straps so in a crash they shouldn't break my ankles!!

I dodn't plan to leave the rubber straps on for long, just until I get the hang of the launch.

Cheers,

RF
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