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Created by hydra > 9 months ago, 8 Mar 2009
kite boy
WA, 354 posts
9 Mar 2009 7:02PM
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Charl dv said...

seein how grunty my 12m is i can probably top that 10 knot shinnaningans.


HAHA charl you cant even relaunch your kite in 30 knots how would you ride it in 10 knots hahahahaha lol

funny stuff who would want to ride in 10 knots anyway go surfin

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
9 Mar 2009 7:18PM
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Kitejunkiee
SA, 117 posts
10 Mar 2009 4:15AM
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this one time at band camp....

There was 5kts if that... had extreme trouble launching but once up a 75kg rider on 12m and 123cm board managed to kite up wind just fine - at larggs. Sometimes the good wind is just that bit higher, or bit further out.

sbray
SA, 350 posts
10 Mar 2009 10:35AM
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I was just stunned to see that much water in at Pt Parham

I will not comment on technique as i still have not got any .......yet
but I have witnessed the Parham crew flying in extremely light conditions.

I will catch up for a Parham crash 'n' splash session soon, the sight of that much water got the juices going again.

Fossil

sneakybutche
VIC, 73 posts
10 Mar 2009 1:26PM
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What about a 10m SB IDS in 10 knots?


Windhogger
SA, 88 posts
11 Mar 2009 8:07PM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Looks like the spot is sheltered in close to the shore, there looks to be 10-15 knots out the back and suspect there is plenty of wind up high where the riders have their kites.
Also not really possible to kite in such low winds with small boards like the riders seem to be using. Are the riders young people/really light weights?
Sub 10 knots is super marginal conditions most of the time due to the fickle nature of sub 10 knot winds.


Steve also said...
A simple flip about with PS and voila, now it looks like he is kiting in the same wind as the other pics, - cross offshore, at a spot where the shoreline is sheltered.

These pics are not fooling anyone, we all know how low we can go, and super glassy water, always raises suspicions when someone is making a claim about superior low wind performance from any kite, especially when the board is not massive, and the water is glass smooth with windy conditions visible in the background!

Steve,
It is never a good idea for a retailer, as yourself, to adversely comment on, and try and discredit a poster and his photos when it is obvious you weren't there at the time, you know nothing about the location and the unique conditions experienced there, nothing about the kites and their performance, what boards were used and the abillity of the riders etc.
As a matter of fact one of the Parham crew recently purchased a new kite from you and is disappointed you view the photos as misleading, which they are definitely not. Just remember these situations can influence peoples purchasing decisions in the future.

PS. keep an eye out for the review of the Core Combat GT and comparison to the Genetrix Hydra comming to the review section soon.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
11 Mar 2009 10:47PM
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I love glassy watter, was riding a spot about 6 weeks ago it was around 20kts there were runs 500m long where there wasnt even a ripple just dead flat glass like what you would ski on breese was cross off and the bay was surounded by low land you could see everything on the bottom, watter was shallow around 2-3 feet so good. If i was able to take photos i could have claimed under 10kts but you cant kite in under 10kts unless you are ridding a plank with a big flysurfer kite. pics look around the 13-16 mark i think but nice try.

hydra
SA, 254 posts
11 Mar 2009 10:49PM
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Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
11 Mar 2009 11:21PM
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Windhogger said...

Kitepower Australia said...

Looks like the spot is sheltered in close to the shore, there looks to be 10-15 knots out the back and suspect there is plenty of wind up high where the riders have their kites.
Also not really possible to kite in such low winds with small boards like the riders seem to be using. Are the riders young people/really light weights?
Sub 10 knots is super marginal conditions most of the time due to the fickle nature of sub 10 knot winds.


Steve also said...
A simple flip about with PS and voila, now it looks like he is kiting in the same wind as the other pics, - cross offshore, at a spot where the shoreline is sheltered.

These pics are not fooling anyone, we all know how low we can go, and super glassy water, always raises suspicions when someone is making a claim about superior low wind performance from any kite, especially when the board is not massive, and the water is glass smooth with windy conditions visible in the background!

Steve,
It is never a good idea for a retailer, as yourself, to adversely comment on, and try and discredit a poster and his photos when it is obvious you weren't there at the time, you know nothing about the location and the unique conditions experienced there, nothing about the kites and their performance, what boards were used and the abillity of the riders etc.
As a matter of fact one of the Parham crew recently purchased a new kite from you and is disappointed you view the photos as misleading, which they are definitely not. Just remember these situations can influence peoples purchasing decisions in the future.

PS. keep an eye out for the review of the Core Combat GT and comparison to the Genetrix Hydra comming to the review section soon.




I dislike Steve as much as anyway here (no offence intended, Steve, we've had our differences) but Steve wasn't the only one to post bull****. You can't expect to to claim 10 knots and not having people calling you out.

If the riders in question are 45 and 60kg's as someone mentioned, then people have just as much reason for calling the poster out because who in their right mind posts photos of featherweight riders riding in conditions that no one over 70kg's could ride in and claims its the kite that helps them get going. Yeah, the kite may have good low end, but not mentioning low rider weights is hardly being honest either, particularly when it comes from a poster whose name is the same as the model of kite.

hydra
SA, 254 posts
11 Mar 2009 10:52PM
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waxman, note theres no sheltered offshore breeze going on. kites are low and wind was 10 knots.

meerkat
WA, 644 posts
11 Mar 2009 9:34PM
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Look an 8.5m kite(ITS A SONIC EVERYONE BUY ONE!!) made in 2006 that does what a hydra can do! amazing!





12 Mar 2009 12:23PM
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Windhogger said...
Steve,
It is never a good idea for a retailer, as yourself, to adversely comment on, and try and discredit a poster and his photos when it is obvious you weren't there at the time, you know nothing about the location and the unique conditions experienced there, nothing about the kites and their performance, what boards were used and the abillity of the riders etc.
As a matter of fact one of the Parham crew recently purchased a new kite from you and is disappointed you view the photos as misleading, which they are definitely not. Just remember these situations can influence peoples purchasing decisions in the future.

PS. keep an eye out for the review of the Core Combat GT and comparison to the Genetrix Hydra comming to the review section soon.


Windhogger, remember we are communicating with keyboards and you cannot see the smile on my face.
Don't think my comments were anything except my opinion as a kiter.
I really like kiting in light winds and have spent a small fortune on light wind kites and boards over the last 10 years. I've been to Parham not kitesurfing, but I know SA a bit, and you do get some strange wind conditions there called inversions, where there is almost nothing at ground level then at 10M from the ground there is 10-15knots.
And blind freddy can see that there is wind out the back and that there is some sort of sheltering closer in. I also picked up on the size and weight of the riders, correctly.
Hydra forgot to mention that too, as my good mate Saffer rightly points out.

Nothing adverse intended just calling it how I see it.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

Windhogger
SA, 88 posts
12 Mar 2009 8:30PM
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Kitepower said..

Windhogger, remember we are communicating with keyboards and you cannot see the smile on my face.
Don't think my comments were anything except my opinion as a kiter.
I really like kiting in light winds and have spent a small fortune on light wind kites and boards over the last 10 years. I've been to Parham not kitesurfing, but I know SA a bit, and you do get some strange wind conditions there called inversions, where there is almost nothing at ground level then at 10M from the ground there is 10-15knots.
And blind freddy can see that there is wind out the back and that there is some sort of sheltering closer in. I also picked up on the size and weight of the riders, correctly.
Hydra forgot to mention that too, as my good mate Saffer rightly points out.

Nothing adverse intended just calling it how I see it.






Steve, Fair enough about the inversion thing, but we have only experienced inversions or wind shear, as we call it, in light northerly wind days.
The wind when the photos were taken was a SW and maybe there was more wind up higher, who knows, couldn't measure that, but for a fair bit of the time the kiters had their kites low and were still powered, as shown in 2 of the pics.
The main point you are incorrect on is the sheltering thing. There is NOTHING on the windward side of the kiters except open sea, as I said it was a SW wind and the shore runs approx Nth- Sth. Just google earth Port Parham and you will see that.
Anyway, the young kiters were stoked to be out kiting in such light wind, and they did well considering one has only been kiting for 1 month, the other 3 months.

Genetrix
SA, 236 posts
12 Mar 2009 10:19PM
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waxman said...

I love glassy watter, was riding a spot about 6 weeks ago it was around 20kts there were runs 500m long where there wasnt even a ripple just dead flat glass like what you would ski on breese was cross off and the bay was surounded by low land you could see everything on the bottom, watter was shallow around 2-3 feet so good. If i was able to take photos i could have claimed under 10kts but you cant kite in under 10kts unless you are ridding a plank with a big flysurfer kite. pics look around the 13-16 mark i think but nice try.


Alot of light wind practise makes perfect.

Windhogger
SA, 88 posts
12 Mar 2009 11:01PM
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hilly said...

Why kite in under 10 knots??


Because they are newbies and are keen as to get as much kiting in as possible!! Mayby you weren't that dedicated.

hilly
WA, 7932 posts
12 Mar 2009 10:24PM
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Mayby you weren't that dedicated.


or that bored live in wa not sa, lol you back

hydra
SA, 254 posts
13 Mar 2009 12:00AM
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hilly said...

Mayby you weren't that dedicated.


or that bored live in wa not sa, lol you back


bit rich coming from a stand up paddler, paddle paddle

Charl dv
WA, 2485 posts
13 Mar 2009 12:55AM
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hydra said...

hilly said...

Mayby you weren't that dedicated.


or that bored live in wa not sa, lol you back


bit rich coming from a stand up paddler, paddle paddle


same applies to a claimer claim claim claim. when you show us a wind meter in hand reading 10 knts with a rider weighing atleast 75kg riding just like that, then you can claim superior low end. **** i can get up and riding on my 12m in 10 knots too...

Saffer
VIC, 4501 posts
13 Mar 2009 1:21PM
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Genetrix said...

Alot of light wind practise makes perfect.



So does weighing 45kg's.

trevor1
WA, 598 posts
13 Mar 2009 1:44PM
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Was there not a claim some time back by Kitepower, or on behalf of Kitepower, of sub 3 knots on the mighty Hellfish?

(That is what I recall, and I stand to be corrected)

theDoctor
NSW, 5785 posts
13 Mar 2009 3:52PM
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what about the slingshot link...?

that kite generates its own wind, i've seen the 12mtr going up wind and boosting a 120kg fat ass into crazy airs when there was barely enough breeze to keep the clouds afloat.

PWILD
SA, 23 posts
13 Mar 2009 4:05PM
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There has been some discussion on the light wind day my two lads Steven and Justin were kiting in, we are new to the kiting game and we purchased the hydra kites from a mate to get us out on the water and learn,a solid consistant wind of about 8-10 knots got my younger son going well with the 14m he's about 50kg without full balls.
my older son got going with an 06 hydra in 8-12knots at 67kg, great spot for learning with good winds and SW on the day in question.
l have observed them sailing with the hydras and they really rip in light wind and strong wind, coming from a windsurfing background l am amazed at how little wind you need for kiteboarding to get out and have some fun, and in this case learn the ropes in safe conditions Pete.

GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
13 Mar 2009 6:08PM
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trevor1 said...

Was there not a claim some time back by Kitepower, or on behalf of Kitepower, of sub 3 knots on the mighty Hellfish?


Ah the smellfish - there's a name we have not heard of in a while, what a sexy beast it was:



From http://www.outdoornewswire.com/v/current/htdocs/etc/sa.php/63617465676f72794e616d653d4b697465626f617264696e672663617465676f72794c6162656c3d4b697465626f617264696e67266c6f636174696f6e3d323030352f30352f313131353339343037312672737349643d393238

"Although traditional kites are still fun to ride, the Hellfish adds a whole new dimension in terms of performance, responsiveness and light wind capability. Not only does the Hellfish break the light wind barrier, it shatters it. Riding powered in 5-8 knots is no longer a dream, as the thinner and stiffer airframe yields far more forward speed and power for any given kite size, so riding in the snow in almost no wind is entirely possible."

But as they do not have photos (photoshopped or not, flipped or not, wind out the back or not) clearly it never happened!

marty72
QLD, 298 posts
13 Mar 2009 9:47PM
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Looks like a lot of hot air coming out these kites!!! lol

sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
13 Mar 2009 9:01PM
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Ive been out loads of times in sub 10knots and i reckon its entirely possible, in fact i reckon its great!! so many positives, for example... you carry less gear, only one board a vest and a helmet is required! its called cable.

14 Mar 2009 9:36AM
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trevor1 said...

Was there not a claim some time back by Kitepower, or on behalf of Kitepower, of sub 3 knots on the mighty Hellfish?

(That is what I recall, and I stand to be corrected)


No there wasn't, sorry, 3 knots is stupid to claim I'll leave that for you know who.
I think it was more like 6-8 knots, light weight rider and super flat water at Pt Henry in Geelong.
Riding in those conditions is possible, I've done it.
I think it would drive you insane if you had to do it everyday, but its possible, with a 13M Hellfish (I've still got a new one!!!), and many other kites, including 17M Contra2, 16M CBIDS, 20M Rhino2, Flysurfer SA19M, Flexifoil Blade2 10.5M, Peter Lynn Stacked Venoms, etc, etc, etc.
Those are just some of the kites (not to mention big boards) I've done it with, and I'm sure others could add more kites.

Please stand up.

Cya and

Goodwinds

McCorrector

Genetrix
SA, 236 posts
14 Mar 2009 9:44AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

trevor1 said...

Was there not a claim some time back by Kitepower, or on behalf of Kitepower, of sub 3 knots on the mighty Hellfish?

(That is what I recall, and I stand to be corrected)


No there wasn't, sorry, 3 knots is stupid to claim I'll leave that for you know who.
I think it was more like 6-8 knots, light weight rider and super flat water at Pt Henry in Geelong.
Riding in those conditions is possible, I've done it.
I think it would drive you insane if you had to do it everyday, but its possible, with a 13M Hellfish (I've still got a new one!!!), and many other kites, including 17M Contra2, 16M CBIDS, 20M Rhino2, Flysurfer SA19M, Flexifoil Blade2 10.5M, Peter Lynn Stacked Venoms, etc, etc, etc.
Those are just some of the kites (not to mention big boards) I've done it with, and I'm sure others could add more kites.

Please stand up.

Cya and

Goodwinds

McCorrector




Mr goodwinds you are full of something. You name the kites its possible to ride in stuff all wind but you also then tell the world that we are frauds and we are'nt riding in 8 to 10 when you have no idea about the kite and the conditions we are riding in. We are going to get more evidence just to show how wrong you are.

myusernam
QLD, 6154 posts
14 Mar 2009 9:33AM
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Genetrix said...

Kitepower Australia said...

trevor1 said...

Was there not a claim some time back by Kitepower, or on behalf of Kitepower, of sub 3 knots on the mighty Hellfish?

(That is what I recall, and I stand to be corrected)


No there wasn't, sorry, 3 knots is stupid to claim I'll leave that for you know who.
I think it was more like 6-8 knots, light weight rider and super flat water at Pt Henry in Geelong.
Riding in those conditions is possible, I've done it.
I think it would drive you insane if you had to do it everyday, but its possible, with a 13M Hellfish (I've still got a new one!!!), and many other kites, including 17M Contra2, 16M CBIDS, 20M Rhino2, Flysurfer SA19M, Flexifoil Blade2 10.5M, Peter Lynn Stacked Venoms, etc, etc, etc.
Those are just some of the kites (not to mention big boards) I've done it with, and I'm sure others could add more kites.

Please stand up.

Cya and

Goodwinds

McCorrector




Mr goodwinds you are full of something. You name the kites its possible to ride in stuff all wind but you also then tell the world that we are frauds and we are'nt riding in 8 to 10 when you have no idea about the kite and the conditions we are riding in. We are going to get more evidence just to show how wrong you are.


I'd be interested to see more photos...
Can you put some heavier riders on but- average adult size 75kilos or heavier. Then you would have something.

Windhogger
SA, 88 posts
14 Mar 2009 2:18PM
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myusernam said....

I'd be interested to see more photos...
Can you put some heavier riders on but- average adult size 75kilos or heavier. Then you would have something


myusernam,

Thats easy, all that the heavier guys need is a bigger board!!
It's that simple, but you would all know that.


sir ROWDY
WA, 5378 posts
14 Mar 2009 1:00PM
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who cares?



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