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gokid
gokid
QLD
491 posts
QLD, 491 posts
1 Jan 2014 7:01pm
Been kiting in some very light winds the last few days,so has got me wondering if zero wind kites will ever be avaliable

Will a kite ever be developed that flys in very little or zero wind,just by moving it you generate power and speed

Seems like kites are getting more a more refined each year,will a zero wind kite be avaliable one day

Will they get good enough to boost in very little or no wind
glendog
glendog
QLD
520 posts
QLD, 520 posts
1 Jan 2014 7:06pm
i had a go of a mates zepher 17 today. i only weigh 60 kg. seriously tho there wasnt much wind at all and i was pretty comfortable. maybe one day you wont need anything.
Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
QLD, 473 posts
1 Jan 2014 7:29pm
Seriously? Do you know how a wing works? To generate lift to keep it flying?

No, a zero wind kite will never exist (unless it has some sort of man made power source)
wave6ft
wave6ft
QLD
146 posts
QLD, 146 posts
1 Jan 2014 7:42pm
I would like a kite and board combo that would work from 5 to 8 knots get so many days here like that but don't think that it can be done
gokid
gokid
QLD
491 posts
QLD, 491 posts
1 Jan 2014 7:48pm
Haydn24 said..

Seriously? Do you know how a wing works? To generate lift to keep it flying?

No, a zero wind kite will never exist (unless it has some sort of man made power source)


The kite would be powered by swinging it back and forth and looping by using your own arms and your weight

It would require good technic

Maybe the heavier you were and the more agressively you moved it,the faster you would move and the higher you could jump

I think its possible
Kazan
Kazan
QLD
699 posts
QLD, 699 posts
1 Jan 2014 8:40pm
There is!

Flysurfer Peak single skin
KiteDesigner
KiteDesigner
NSW
169 posts
NSW, 169 posts
1 Jan 2014 10:29pm
Its always windy, just depends how high your kite goes, slipstream runs at 200 MpH and its only about 2km up. Just go grab some ultra thin strong 2km low drag lines and punch through the slip stream. Just take into account everything that could go wrong before you try it....
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
1 Jan 2014 11:01pm
Didnt I read somewhere on here something about filling kites with helium or hydrogen?
If the kite had a zero weight then maybe it would be possible.
Thoughts anyone?
Haydn24
Haydn24
QLD
473 posts
QLD, 473 posts
1 Jan 2014 10:07pm
So many facepalms in this thread
NickT
NickT
WA
1094 posts
WA, 1094 posts
1 Jan 2014 8:07pm
You should of saved this topic for April fools day!
gokid
gokid
QLD
491 posts
QLD, 491 posts
2 Jan 2014 9:31am
Seems to me all the best light winds kites are big kites 17m +,the idea being having a large wing catches more wind

But the problem is swinging and looping a big kite is difficult,they are slow

I can fly my 7m kite in no wind, Ive done it !

Need someone to launch the kite,or throw the kite

then I just swing the kite back and forth,looping it and agressively moving it generating speed and power to keep it flying

its not that hard

If you filled the leading edge and struts with helium that might help too

Just need to make a supa powerful smallish kite

Probably need to reinvent the board too,maybe a remake of one of those foil boards

Just imagine cruising around the ocean on a oily smooth windless day,looping and throwing the kite back and forth,going where ever you wanted

Going upwind would not be a problem as there is no wind

Be a good workout too

Blackbeard
Blackbeard
WA
103 posts
WA, 103 posts
2 Jan 2014 8:13am
Will a brick fly in no wind I wonder if I loop it backwards and forwards?
stamp
stamp
QLD
2797 posts
QLD, 2797 posts
2 Jan 2014 10:27am
they have invented one. it's not cheap though:




hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
2174 posts
ACT, 2174 posts
2 Jan 2014 12:02pm
thats just ridiculus ........ how would i get time to do anything else like mow the lawn, go to the pub, nurcher relationship's with the kids, learn to spell

Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
2 Jan 2014 11:33am
Trapped said..

Didnt I read somewhere on here something about filling kites with helium or hydrogen?
If the kite had a zero weight then maybe it would be possible.
Thoughts anyone?


That's been discussed before, helium atoms are really small and will bleed through the bladder fabric in no time.
kiter77
kiter77
VIC
273 posts
VIC, 273 posts
2 Jan 2014 2:36pm
Never say never www.horvath.ch/en/kite-lab/
Spookyluke12
Spookyluke12
QLD
120 posts
QLD, 120 posts
2 Jan 2014 2:14pm
You can tic tack a skateboard to get it moving from dead still, so it might be possible to be powered by a kite by steering it, that has different technology to what we're used to. Not sure how, but it could happen. The sport is only 15 odd years old. I don't think we've topped out on the technology yet. Attitude's like gokid's change the world.
NSW, 4382 posts
2 Jan 2014 3:41pm
If it were possible then it would be a perpetual motion machine. Doubt very much that a kite will ever claim that title. There are already zero wind kites, but the flyer has to move to create the wind (action) that then creates deflection and a small amount of lift (reaction). Kite fly mainly by deflection and less by aerodynamic lift, kites are quite inefficient wings.

Agree with Haydn24, so many face palms!!!
CowboyWA
CowboyWA
WA
55 posts
WA, 55 posts
4 Jan 2014 5:36pm
gokid said..

Been kiting in some very light winds the last few days,so has got me wondering if zero wind kites will ever be avaliable

Will a kite ever be developed that flys in very little or zero wind,just by moving it you generate power and speed

Seems like kites are getting more a more refined each year,will a zero wind kite be avaliable one day

Will they get good enough to boost in very little or no wind


Why on earth would one bother.?
People must have a lot of time
THE DONG
THE DONG
VIC
518 posts
VIC, 518 posts
4 Jan 2014 9:17pm
hamburglar said...
thats just ridiculus ........ how would i get time to do anything else like mow the lawn, go to the pub, nurcher relationship's with the kids, learn to spell




THE DONG
THE DONG
VIC
518 posts
VIC, 518 posts
4 Jan 2014 9:17pm
discussion over
kyteryder
kyteryder
NSW
692 posts
NSW, 692 posts
4 Jan 2014 9:31pm
Surfing seems like a logical extension to no wind kiting
The5MetreKid
The5MetreKid
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
4 Jan 2014 9:48pm
but how would you go UP wind??
bjw
bjw
QLD
3690 posts
bjw bjw
QLD, 3690 posts
4 Jan 2014 10:30pm
The5MetreKid said..

but how would you go UP wind??


The term downwinder would be confusing too.
kiteboy dave
kiteboy dave
QLD
6525 posts
QLD, 6525 posts
4 Jan 2014 10:38pm
There is a whole sport called indoor kiting. It's not the manliest thing you've ever seen.

KBwhokbs
KBwhokbs
WA
68 posts
WA, 68 posts
4 Jan 2014 10:24pm
Who would have thought, indoor kite flying. No not very manly but strangely fascinating.
Elroy Jetson
Elroy Jetson
WA
706 posts
WA, 706 posts
4 Jan 2014 10:29pm
I'm thinking a large remote controlled plane with high lift wings and running on Lithium Polymer batteries would be the go.

3 Lines. One Centre line connected to the middle of the plane. Steering lines connected to the wind tips.

Just imagine sine-waving the electric plane while powering around a perfect 3-4ft glassy lineup!

Ha ha. We would soon be the most disliked water user. It wouldn't take long for us to be more hated than SUP's or goatboats.





Elroy Jetson
Elroy Jetson
WA
706 posts
WA, 706 posts
4 Jan 2014 10:43pm

The Pesky seagulls are also a good source of no wind power.



Just remember to drop by the fish and chip shop on the way to the beach.
craggers
craggers
WA
475 posts
WA, 475 posts
5 Jan 2014 7:07pm
Haydn24 said...
So many facepalms in this thread


This sport has evolved from people wondering 'what if, even if people laugh at me...'.
Give the innovators some oxygen, c'mooooooooonnnn.
Trapped
Trapped
NSW
220 posts
NSW, 220 posts
5 Jan 2014 11:19pm
Chris6791 said..

Trapped said..

Didnt I read somewhere on here something about filling kites with helium or hydrogen?
If the kite had a zero weight then maybe it would be possible.
Thoughts anyone?


That's been discussed before, helium atoms are really small and will bleed through the bladder fabric in no time.


What if we lined the bladders with something similar to latex? just have it as balloons basically.
Chris6791
Chris6791
WA
3271 posts
WA, 3271 posts
6 Jan 2014 4:10am
^^ helium party balloons (latex or foil) go flat fairly quickly. I read somewhere that 'they' had looked at helium as a alternative fuel for fuel cells in cars or something but they couldn't build a cost effective tank that didn't bleed helium at an unacceptable rate.
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