I'm not learning but if I witnessed anyone cutting someone's lines id stab them with their scissors.

How pathetic.

I felt like stabbing that dudes leading edge of his trainer kite at Maroochy yesterday. Seriously, did the dude have a brain? Anyone else see him?

Sounds like a great story for an episode of home and away, I reckon it was alf

My understanding is that the police can remove you and/or take your gear (regular and water), but only councils can put in place bans.

If you try really hard I guess a court could also ban people / spots, but you would really have to try something special on for that to happen.

For the person cutting lines, call the cops if you have proof as they are destroying people's property and will earn themselves a little something special.

Than again karma will eventually get them:

What a tool[}:)]

Localism is quite bad in my town too,

I've only lived and surfed the break for 10+ years but depending on whos out tensions can rise from there belief you dont belong,

Just smile and enjoy your surf, kite

its there issue they need to deal with while they have a **** sesh becasue there worried that there not getting all the surf.

But being a red blooded ozzy touch my gear and

Interesting first post. I call bull**** aswell. He didn't cut your lines did he?? So who's did he cut and they don't seem to be posting.

yer i know its a big topic for my first post but i was hell curious on actually what the process is and if people by them selfes can ban other people?

Obviousley no one can ban someone from a beach it is a public place. I still reckon your stirring ****! But if everyone hated you kiting somewhere due to the fact your in there way why would you kite there? To prove what point? You have a right to have fun in expense of 15 others??? Other people would not help and rather hinder your experience. tension high!, and it seems like you would be asking for trouble?? I believe majority rules. If you want to piss people off it's your call. While violence is never the answer it is always a possibility. Some people say localism sucks (I surf a lot and have had to put up with bs for years (and I can surf) but common sense has to prevail. If it does get heated is it worth it?? And if you are causing problems (dropping kite or getting in peoples way) why on earth would you wreck everyone elses day?? At some breaks if you drop in (repeatedly) your going to get your head punched in. Sadly this is the only way some people learn. Everyone has a right. Are your rights better than 15 others?? And cutting lines is bs. Never seen it. And letting kites down hahaha is that really a deterrent?? You do own a pump! I started kiting due to lack of waves and hassling when there is waves (I won't surf metro/and hardly on weekends) I would hate to see kiting go this way. Follow your common sense and I'm sure there will never be problems

This story is actually true. a learner set up and launched at the pond next to the big bush thing at the waters edge. he then proceded out of controll to the onshore beach where the storm water outlet is. still trying to keep going he swooped his kite to try water start, but misjudged it and it hit the beach very close to a father and is little girl. close enough to make her cry. said kiter then continues trying to relaunch his kite before it gets deflated by a member of the kiting community.
i dont know if this is the incident you are refering to, but its still a very good example of why deadset newbys shouldnt learn in the pond.

as to this guy teaching befor hand, he wasnt getting in everyones way. he wasnt endangering other kiters or members of the public and when they are ready to get on a board i bet it will be around the corner at shoalwater.

wetwilly said...

Now regarding that guy who let a kite down. This was my mate and it is intersting to hear the "full story". My mate took control of a bad situation and deflated the kite to make the point that beginners (and all of us) should be wary of kiting in areas where there is little room for error.

That's almost like taking the car keys off a drunk driver.

Your mate did a good job. Im glad he didnt resort to cutting lines.

Underoath said...

wetwilly said...

Now regarding that guy who let a kite down. This was my mate and it is intersting to hear the "full story". My mate took control of a bad situation and deflated the kite to make the point that beginners (and all of us) should be wary of kiting in areas where there is little room for error.

That's almost like taking the car keys off a drunk driver.

Your mate did a good job. Im glad he didnt resort to cutting lines.

I suspected this was the case. Most people wouldn't resort to this unless the person in question was being a complete douche bag. cutting lines would only be used if they person in question refuses to listen to reason and keeps pumping their kite after the guys deflate it.

it's **** to see how bad the pond is getting lately, since a lot of "local" riders are talking smack here on seabreeze and supporting the fact that people should be able to learn in the pond so more people keep doing it, old mate got hurt the other day and snapped his collarbone cause of some dude's girlfriend learning in the shallow bit and dove her kite on him and to dodge it he ran into the boyfriend that apparently wasnt really paying any attention. other guy just yesterday was doing downwind runs right in the shallow bit, smashed his kite on the beach a few times and all that, and i reckon some of the so-called local beginners think they own the joint and are pushing this attitude just to try and prove a point but just end up pissing other people off and ruining everybody's session. and in the end of it all just ruining the vibe in the pond causing everyone to have a **** time, putting people in danger. the point im trying to make is that there is no need for all this animosity in the pond and you smart asses that keep telling yourselves that it's ok to teach in the pond, well it's not. what's it gonna take to understand it? another kite in the power lines? or maybe a kite crashing on a truck that loses control and kills someone? just think about that, would you keep kitesurfing after you know that your behaviour took someone's life?
the big problem this year in the pond i think is that a lot of people that ride there don't know each other and just tell each other off on forums and there's a lot of tension created by that.
a lot of crew that just started last year are riding in the pond, loving it and respecting everybody, i taught a couple of them personally last season and i'm very stoked to see them riding and progressing, but there's a couple of guys that hide behind nicknames and just push all this tension and bad vibes and personally i dont know who they are and i don't care, all i'm trying to say is that there is no need for this, there's plenty of room for everyone and nobody is trying to claim the spot for themselves, we're just trying to get COMPLETE beginners out of there before something major happens and we get the pond shut.
so stop being smart arses about it.

by the way, i'm Luca, the smelly italian rastaman
just so we stop hiding behind nicknames

Who's right is it to ban people to kite?
Its not a 'right' its a 'responsibility'.
Every kiter should do whatever necessary to educate other kiters to the local rules & guidelines at any location. It took a lot of cooperative effort of all "interested parties" (esp the poleys) to keep the Pond open to kiting at all. It is considered by ALL parties (council; DEC; WAKSA; local kiters; poleys; boaties; sailors; dog walkers; bird watchers etc) to be an advanced kiters ONLY area.
It is offshore. No newbs should kite in offshore - esp where there are roads, powerlines etc downwind.
If kiters dont take the responsibility of keeping the Pond being kited as per the agreed conditions then you can all stop arguing cos you will have nothing to argue about.
Cutting lines is super drastic - dont know that Id resort to that - BUT - if its a matter of safety to third parties then cut lines are a far better option than someone else being injured or killed.
Educate rather than intimidate; dont launch anyone who shouldnt be there etc etc but whatever it takes, if its not controlled it will be lost to all.
Blame the offenders? Yep - but also blame those who arent prepared to step up to the responsibilty of controlling the situation and the site.

Agent 554 said...

We are Also looking at pond police to sentence newbs and general kook behavior

Ahhh f**k im screwed,
body dragging is still ok yeah, been doing it for 3 years now wouldnt say im a learner.

at the end of the day leaners and newbees should stay out of the pond at peak times during the summer until they know kite customs, rules and can handle their s**t
as for cutting lines and letting kites down, very excessive no matter what situation, a simple chat and point in the right direction (aka shoalwater) probally wouldve been sufficeint
xoxo Cody (local mad dog)

Yet been the crucial word there. It won't take long before someone gets annoyed at the stupid behavior and goes that far