Starboard rule (right of way)

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Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
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25 Jul 2011 10:30pm
http://www.kbv.org.au/index2.htm

Starboard Rule
(Rule 12)
When two sailing vessels are approaching one another, and at risk of collision, one of them shall keep out of the way of the other as follows:

When each has the wind on a different side, the kiter who has the wind on the port (ie left side, where left leg/arm are leading in the direction of travel) side shall keep out of the way of the other. This is commonly known as the Starboard Rule. The kiter who has the wind on the starboard (ie right side, where right leg/arm are leading in the direction of travel) has right of way.

In sailing terms, a sailor or kiter with right of way is entitled to "insist" on exercising that right (warning opposing kiters) by shouting "starboard" very clearly and in good time.


Don't think enough kiters are aware of this rule. That is all...
blueprint
blueprint
WA
321 posts
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25 Jul 2011 8:39pm
Your (and everyones) ultimate responsibility as a water user is to ensure that a collision is avoided.

No good being in the "Right" after a serious accident

That is all
stamp
stamp
QLD
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25 Jul 2011 11:07pm
starboard rule isn't practical with kites. 25m of line out needs a different approach- the upwind rider passes with their kite high and the downwind rider drops their kite low.

be aware of the starboard rule with poleys, but i reckon its still easier to pass to leeward of them out of courtesy
toddws
toddws
WA
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25 Jul 2011 9:22pm
I'd settle for downwind kiters dropping their kite!!!
Big eeeZeee
Big eeeZeee
NSW
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25 Jul 2011 11:32pm
stamp said...

starboard rule isn't practical with kites. 25m of line out needs a different approach- the upwind rider passes with their kite high and the downwind rider drops their kite low.




I agree with what you're saying, but I believe the ruling is referring to when both riders are roughly kiting on the same line. Common sense needs to prevail. i.e not holding your kite high and maintaining your line because you have right of way even though you're 10m downwind of the other rider.

What's with the red thumbs?


nebbian
nebbian
WA
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25 Jul 2011 10:28pm
The trouble with the starboard rule (and other right of way rules) is that you don't know that the other guy knows about it.

Most people when they start out go through a couple of phases:

1) Everyone avoids you because you're clearly out of control
2) Avoid people heading towards you, in any direction you feel like
3) Learn about the starboard rule, the overtaking rule, the "less manoeuvrable vessel" rule, the "person on the wave" rule etc, and try to get everyone else to learn these rules as well
4) If on a collision course, make a clear and sudden change of direction so that then you're not on a collision course. Kite high or low comes into this category.

Number 4 seems the most followed rule at the spots I go to, so that's the one that I follow as well. The only time you can assume that the other guy knows the 'proper' right of way rules is when you're racing... and even then I've had a collision with another racer (I was on starboard) when I held my line upwind.

Blueprint and Stamp are on the money I reckon
RPM
RPM
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25 Jul 2011 11:04pm
I'm going to clear up this connundrum...

The ocean is big.... Don't be scared to head out the back....

Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
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26 Jul 2011 10:19am
The starboard rule can be simplified down to "to avoid collisions turn right".

However, as is said elsewhere relying on rules that require other people to do stuff is hugely flawed.

Better is a set of rules that you apply to yourself to avoid situations in the first place.

In no particular order:

- Kite high/low when passing/being passed.

- Don't tailgate or ride in another guys blind spot.

- Be ready to reverse direction or stop if an impact is about to happen.

- Don't do tricks that might put you in the way of other riders.

- The sea is big. Ride away from crowds.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
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26 Jul 2011 11:18am
don't forget at some flatwater bays the circuit runs better in the opposite direction so the starboard rule doesn't work
sebol
sebol
WA
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26 Jul 2011 11:35am
What if you ride switch with the opposite shoulder forward? lol
sbray
sbray
SA
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26 Jul 2011 2:51pm
sebol said...

What if you ride switch with the opposite shoulder forward? lol



No problems Sebol, situation sorted.......just wear these with some matching budgie smugglers & you will be set






Cheers
Fossil

PS...humour for humour sake I think safety on the water is important!!
wal269
wal269
WA
718 posts
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26 Jul 2011 2:56pm
This is different to the Wife/Girlfriend (I am always right, you d@ckhead) Rule. Mmmmmm.

The conundrum is what to do if you are approaching your wife/girlfriend on a starboard tack????

You are stuffed!

sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
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26 Jul 2011 3:19pm
Awesome,escape route is towards the green light and never the red sock, makes sense.

All the spin flick lovers with their boots will have accidents tho

Got a solution for this one too?
sbray
sbray
SA
350 posts
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26 Jul 2011 5:18pm
sebol said...

Awesome,escape route is towards the green light and never the red sock, makes sense.

All the spin flick lovers with their boots will have accidents tho

Got a solution for this one too?








fossil
Addikt
Addikt
WA
553 posts
WA, 553 posts
26 Jul 2011 5:30pm
toddws said...

I'd settle for downwind kiters dropping their kite!!!


I agree with toddws, and a bit of common sense....I too often see people "aggressively forcing right of way" with dropping your kite after a few runs most start to play along.......

PS I have no affiliation to starboards
getfunky
getfunky
WA
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26 Jul 2011 6:06pm



In essence - just be sensible, don't be a selfish w@nker (we have plenty in kiting already) share the water and will be ok.
BarryDawson
BarryDawson
WA
175 posts
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26 Jul 2011 6:23pm
It's extremely difficult to quote rules of the sea due to nature of the fact that some rules override other rules, ie, (Sorry forget the rule number and don't have my book with me) it goes something like, nothing in these rules will exonerate any owner or any skipper in the event of a collision.

Therefore if you do have "right of way" but, you have a collision both parties will be apportioned blame (the percentage will vary depending on the circumstance) as a collision should never have happened in the first instance.

There is no such thing as an "accident" on the sea, just the fact that somebody did not follow the rules, if they did there would never have been an accident.

I find it easier to just cruise on out the back or miles upwind (I have an Edge ) out of the way of the crowds.
frankief
frankief
NSW
68 posts
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27 Jul 2011 8:43pm
I always teach the rider coming away from the beach has right of way as well - cos he cant retreat, might have difficult water to negotiate and possibly poor speed and ability to turn, depending on conditions.
djdojo
djdojo
VIC
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27 Jul 2011 9:09pm
frankief said...

I always teach the rider coming away from the beach has right of way as well - cos he cant retreat, might have difficult water to negotiate and possibly poor speed and ability to turn, depending on conditions.


Um, maybe. Perhaps rephrase to say that the rider launching immediately from the beach has right of way due to being less maneuverable, and this applies for the first few metres, mainly effecting riders coming in to land, but as soon as there are waves, the rider on the wave (coming in, obviously) has right of way.
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