Speedkiting - Who does it ? and Where ?

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gmd
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11 Apr 2012 10:31am
here in WA or elsewhere in OZ.
Just curious .. I guess Augusta is a place with water flat enough but probably not big enough for high speeds. Are there spots over east with flat water and enough wind or is it mainly a European thing ?

regards
gmd
gls
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gls gls
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11 Apr 2012 11:15am
I found an incredible spot over Easter on the Kalbarri inlet, an hour north of Geraldton.

A little island of reeds about 150 m long and with a 150m x 3m wide shallow water channel separating it from the mainland. I loaded up the kite and shot through full boar at what felt like 60km/hr. The water was flat and smooth - like cutting butter. Just gorgeous. I thought I was Alex Caizergues ;-)

I think Kalbarri was the only place in WA with wind over Easter and it wasn't even forecast. How lucky was that for an end of season run.

Graeme
lostinlondon
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VIC
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11 Apr 2012 2:32pm
The speed freaks like to hit up Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom in Victoria. Similar setup to Augusta, but with a wider river. The shore also curves off downwind so you accelerate as you fly along 1m from the beach. The run would be about 500 m long? Maybe longer.

theDoctor
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11 Apr 2012 3:01pm


Not since they brought in drug testing at work
gmd
gmd
WA
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11 Apr 2012 1:36pm
lostinlondon said...

The speed freaks like to hit up Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom in Victoria. Similar setup to Augusta, but with a wider river. The shore also curves off downwind so you accelerate as you fly along 1m from the beach. The run would be about 500 m long? Maybe longer.




500m is not long enough unfortunately.. no chance to really compete seriously.
For speed kiting comps (among others) you need the fastest 10 seconds out of a run recorded by GPS. Lets assume you go at a moderate speed (not even close to the top speeds recorded so far) you will have done 500m in 20seconds. You would need 200-300 meters to accelerate, maybe 500-800m for your best 10 second interval and then well ... crash space

I guess we are looking at some 2k stretch of perfectly flat water. Lake Eyre comes to mind

I don't think we have anything along the coast lines, too much surf. But there might be some hidden away places like gls describes. The question though is how often do you have conditions good enough to go fast. I mean you want lots of wind but still very flat water, that is probably not possible in Australia as far as I see it, but I might be wrong .. that's why I am asking ... Mandurah Peels are still too deep and will build up chop. The ideal place would have only a water depth of a few centimeters where not much chop can build up. There are inlets over east, but I do not know them all and the wind conditions.

Someone should build a channel !

regards
gmd
bennie
bennie
ACT
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11 Apr 2012 4:13pm
me and a couple of mates go for speed runs on a nearby lagoon in the winter westerlies. The water is about 2 foot deep but there is a lot of weed just below the surface which makes it smooth as butter. The lagoon is several kms long so you can really let rip. Mostly the westerlies are very fickle and gusty though, but occasionally you get a nice 25-30 knot day.

I think the pros like it up around the 40knot mark so we probably don't get good enough wind conditions for the serious guys.

I have heard that there are spots in SA that have good potential. Parham maybe?
DANEgerous
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11 Apr 2012 4:19pm
lostinlondon said...

The speed freaks like to hit up Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom in Victoria. Similar setup to Augusta, but with a wider river. The shore also curves off downwind so you accelerate as you fly along 1m from the beach. The run would be about 500 m long? Maybe longer.


I'd have thought longer depending on tide/wind conditions.
gmd
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11 Apr 2012 2:20pm
bennie said...

me and a couple of mates go for speed runs on a nearby lagoon in the winter westerlies. The water is about 2 foot deep but there is a lot of weed just below the surface which makes it smooth as butter. The lagoon is several kms long so you can really let rip. Mostly the westerlies are very fickle and gusty though, but occasionally you get a nice 25-30 knot day.

I think the pros like it up around the 40knot mark so we probably don't get good enough wind conditions for the serious guys.

I have heard that there are spots in SA that have good potential. Parham maybe?


Thanks for that ... I believe it is not only about high winds .. fast speeds can be achieved in 30-35 with large enough kites. It is really about the optimum ratio between wind and flat water. If you have more wind the risk of chop is higher
if the wind is too low you won't achieve higher speeds .. I guess it is really a mix of water depth, wind speed, kite size, board and of course experience.

regards
gmd

RPM
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11 Apr 2012 2:31pm


Have you even been out in 30 or more knots GMD?

You won't be holding a 'large' kite down! Plus we haven't had 35 knots in Perth for quite a long time now.
wdric
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11 Apr 2012 5:07pm
gmd said...

lostinlondon said...

The speed freaks like to hit up Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom in Victoria.


500m is not long enough unfortunately.. no chance to really compete seriously.
For speed kiting comps (among others) you need the fastest 10 seconds out of a run recorded by GPS


It must be long enough, there have been official world speed records set there and many attempts.
But as the record has been set higher it probly is no longer a suitable location for a serious attempt by kite or windsurfer, but probly still OK for trialing high tech machines that dont need as much wind strength.

gmd
gmd
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11 Apr 2012 3:17pm
RPM said...



Have you even been out in 30 or more knots GMD?

You won't be holding a 'large' kite down! Plus we haven't had 35 knots in Perth for quite a long time now.


yes I have and I am good enough to hold a big kite mate ..
why is that always somebody has to schoolmaster ??
regards
gmd
gmd
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11 Apr 2012 3:21pm
wdric said...

It must be long enough, there have been official world speed records set there and many attempts.




Which records ? Do you have a link ? Is it "Top Speed" or "10s Average" or ?
To my knowledge there is no Australian in the top rankings of the 10s average
world list at this stage.
theDoctor
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NSW
5786 posts
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11 Apr 2012 5:21pm


lake illawarra, primbee point in a westerly...

there is this weed bank about 50 mtrs out which creates the smoothest water inshore, the runs would have to be easily over a kay down to the caravan park at windang...

it's just that westerlies are sooo flipping gusty...

you could get one killer run @30kts plus

then half an hour of 10kts

plus the lake mud stinks like a wogs armpit



Joe Cron
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11 Apr 2012 5:35pm
theDoctor said...



plus the lake mud stinks like a wogs armpit



Articulate, worldly, politically correct, that's theDoctor.
D3
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11 Apr 2012 3:57pm
Shallow Inlet/Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom is where MacQuarrie Innovations set their speed record a year or so back (two man sailing craft).

The actuall inlet is much longer than 500m but there is about a 500m stretch where it is damn near perfect


I don't think the link is their record run, but they did break 50knots in less than ideal conditons.

gmd
gmd
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11 Apr 2012 4:08pm
@D3:
Thanks for that link. This looks interesting.. Will put this on my location list ..

regards
gmd
lostinlondon
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VIC
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11 Apr 2012 7:16pm
gmd said...

lostinlondon said...

The speed freaks like to hit up Sandy Point near Wilsons Prom in Victoria. Similar setup to Augusta, but with a wider river. The shore also curves off downwind so you accelerate as you fly along 1m from the beach. The run would be about 500 m long? Maybe longer.




500m is not long enough unfortunately.. no chance to really compete seriously.
For speed kiting comps (among others) you need the fastest 10 seconds out of a run recorded by GPS. Lets assume you go at a moderate speed (not even close to the top speeds recorded so far) you will have done 500m in 20seconds. You would need 200-300 meters to accelerate, maybe 500-800m for your best 10 second interval and then well ... crash space

I guess we are looking at some 2k stretch of perfectly flat water. Lake Eyre comes to mind

I don't think we have anything along the coast lines, too much surf. But there might be some hidden away places like gls describes. The question though is how often do you have conditions good enough to go fast. I mean you want lots of wind but still very flat water, that is probably not possible in Australia as far as I see it, but I might be wrong .. that's why I am asking ... Mandurah Peels are still too deep and will build up chop. The ideal place would have only a water depth of a few centimeters where not much chop can build up. There are inlets over east, but I do not know them all and the wind conditions.

Someone should build a channel !

regards
gmd



I just brought up Google Earth and measured the run. At least 2km of good kiting with a bit extra on the west end which is kiteable but gusty.



Merry the Kombi parked on the beach at low tide at Sandy Point



terminal
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11 Apr 2012 5:34pm
Sandy Point.

gmd
gmd
WA
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gmd gmd
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11 Apr 2012 6:00pm
Great to see that ..
Thank you very much for the effort guys ...
Really appreciated
regards
gmd
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
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11 Apr 2012 8:55pm
gmd said...

Great to see that ..
Thank you very much for the effort guys ...
Really appreciated
regards
gmd



You dont have to keep signing off, your name is on your avatar.
Regards,
BennyB12
wdric
wdric
NSW
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11 Apr 2012 9:46pm
A bit of history here, the ozi's held it for 11 years from 1993
None of this 10 sec premature ejac stuff, all these guys are serious at maintaining their performance for 1/2 a K
http://www.macquarie.com.au/mgl/au/speedsailing/background

And more recently
www.seabreeze.com.au/News/Sailing/Outright-World-Speed-Sailing-Record-to-Rob-Douglas_1855456.aspx

Genetrix
Genetrix
SA
236 posts
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11 Apr 2012 9:48pm
Yeah we have a few crew in S.A. that love speed
www.gps-kitesurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=38501&uid=142
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
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11 Apr 2012 8:20pm



Luderitz Speed Channel
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
WA
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11 Apr 2012 8:53pm
luderratzz so ive read recently

i read a little on kiteforum that they had an invitational speed challenge and did not invite the top record holders.... and apparently only let one kitebrand compete

also at a previous speed challenge they wanted a run off - made at the end to avoid all the broken bones..

and a fist fight broke out after they closed the course at the best time of the day to break existing records wtf

politics wankers in speed kiteing now too.
gmd
gmd
WA
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11 Apr 2012 10:47pm
BennyB12 said...

You dont have to keep signing off, your name is on your avatar.
Regards,
BennyB12


BennyB12

that is just courtesy and a habit
gmd is my short since I can remember and all mails and documents get signed.
The brain just does it to my fingers without me asking
regards
gmd


gmd
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11 Apr 2012 10:48pm
Genetrix said...

Yeah we have a few crew in S.A. that love speed
www.gps-kitesurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=38501&uid=142


That is a nice session .. thanks for posting
regards
gmd
BennyB12
BennyB12
QLD
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12 Apr 2012 10:35am
Weta said...




Luderitz Speed Channel


It looks to be downhill....Thats cheating....
Genetrix
Genetrix
SA
236 posts
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12 Apr 2012 10:30am
BennyB12 said...

Weta said...




Luderitz Speed Channel


It looks to be downhill....Thats cheating....


I think you could be on to a new discipline , down hill kitesurfing
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
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12 Apr 2012 6:45pm
gmd said...

Genetrix said...

Yeah we have a few crew in S.A. that love speed
www.gps-kitesurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=user&val=38501&uid=142


That is a nice session .. thanks for posting
regards
gmd



some info for those who don't know:

1) Genetrix is the fastest kitesurfer in Aus. He is the official national record holder. Click on his profile to see some pictures from Luderitz, where he broke the record.
2) The session above is the fastest Australian GPS session on a kite (note the top speed - 53+ knots is almost 100 kph).
3) this also makes Parham in SA the fastest kitesurfing speed spot in Australia (although there are plenty of other good spots eg. Sandy Point in Vic.)

Anyone can try how fast they are - you just need a GPS (Locosys GT31 is the main highly accurate waterproof model) and register yourself on
www.gps-kitesurfing.com website (free).
Then find a stretch of flat water and away you go. Upload results to the website and check out your ranking:

www.gps-kitesurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=rankings

Windsurfers have been doing this for a while and there are over 2,000 of them on their GPS site. I think kitesurfers need to catch up - there are less then 200 speed kiters world wide and yet (as a sport) we seem to outnumber windsurfers on the beach.



Weta
Weta
WA
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12 Apr 2012 7:48pm
Thanks for the nod GF some good pics on his profile

The 2010 Luderitz channel looks a bit suss.

The new channel for the 2012 challenge was carved out 300m from the old one and doesn't rely on tidal flow, apparently.

Going 53+ knots on a thin board holding down a kite in 40+ knots of wind in a narrow body of water is impressive.
DaGodfather
DaGodfather
SA
280 posts
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19 Apr 2012 6:54pm
The Luderitz canal probably won't be used at all this year but there are a couple of other official kite speed events:

2012 Kite Speed World Championship (in July in France):

http://www.internationalkiteboarding.org/index.php?view=details&id=291%3AKite+Speed+World+Championship&option=com_eventlist&Itemid=81

and another one in September in Namibia

if anyone's keen the application forms are on the website and qualification through posting 500m GPS speeds on the www.gps-kitesurfing.com/default.aspx?mnu=rankings
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