Release when popping

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Babelfish
Babelfish
QLD
5 posts
QLD, 5 posts
16 Dec 2012 11:43pm
I am at the learning to pop stage and beside time on the water I have read/watched what ever I can find on the subject, but cannot find any detail re how to actually "release" after edging upwind. I understand what it means ie stop the edging but my brain needs more detail if possible.

Do you push back foot away from you onto board, or down to bring board under body, and front foot - do you lift or push down etc? What movement gets your body from leaning back bum near the water with good edge to vertical where the edge is released?

Obviously I need some guidance guys.

Berg K1t3r
Berg K1t3r
QLD
106 posts
QLD, 106 posts
17 Dec 2012 7:49am
Try kiteboarding 101, 201, dont know what vid your watching but sounds wierd
sunseeker
sunseeker
QLD
1203 posts
QLD, 1203 posts
17 Dec 2012 10:51am
It has to be one quick fluid movement. Bear of slightly downwind, edge hard as you are sending the kite and then just go with it as the kite rips you off the water. If you are loading up the kite properly then there shouldn't be any problem releasing. It sounds like you may be stalling the kite a bit or doing everything a bit slowly.
deanrobi
deanrobi
VIC
641 posts
VIC, 641 posts
17 Dec 2012 12:51pm
As mentioned above, drive the kite up as you edge the board up wind hard, as the kite reaches between 12 and 1 just spring upwards with your legs and follow the natural pull/direction of the kite.

Like Sunseeker said, all one fluid motion
1likeBJ
1likeBJ
WA
152 posts
WA, 152 posts
17 Dec 2012 10:04am
I think Babel is talking about load and pop rather than a boosted jump. So we're talking about keeping the kite static 45 or probably 60 deg if you're just learning.

To me it's all about timing and not being too tense. The edging should be a progressive carve and not wash off too much speed. If you do this right you should be able to relax and let the kite pull you up and over the board while the board keeps going to windward. Once you've got the feel for this you'll be able to add more pop to your release with back foot pressure and/or lifting the front foot
juicerider
juicerider
WA
790 posts
WA, 790 posts
17 Dec 2012 11:47am
Hi Babelfish.
Getting good pop is not just about the release, but the set up is equally important.
For the first few times start out on a kite that is not overpowered, but is just comfortable, towards the bottom of its wind range, but you dont want to have to work it.
Sail at the fastest point of sailing, just off the wind with the kite at 45 deg, (no higher or you cant edge so hard and it will feel dangly). Have both hands in the center of the bar next to the chicken loop.
Now beer off slightly more, to relieve the line tension and unhook. This also drops the kite further back into the window and gives you something to pull against. As soon as you've unhooked carve hard into wind and pull hard against the kite. As you do this the kite will also accelerate towards the edge of the window generating even more pull, push hard with both legs to spring off the water, letting you legs swing out behind you as you leave the water.
Look down at the water to spot your landing, and get your legs back under you to land going downwind towards the kite. The kite lines should be slack as you land, and you can hook back in again.
So what is important here is to get the kite to drift further into the window as you beer down wind to unhook and then pull hard against it to accelerate it back towards the edge again.
If it feels like you are dangling you are steering the kite up, try to pull more with your front hand to stop the kite moving. It should feel like you are weightless for a fraction of a second.
Once you have done this you are well on your way to unkooked unhooked kitesurfing.
dave......
dave......
WA
2119 posts
WA, 2119 posts
17 Dec 2012 5:19pm
^^^excellent description above. If you're not good unhooking, practice this first. Do exactly as said above. try and point as high into the wind to get the kite forward then play with the direction down-wind a but to get the feel of how the kite behaves, and how you lose speed when going down-wind, egde into the wind more cautiously as you build up speed and tension on the bar. Play around with the depower and youll get the feel of the stalling point of your kite.

Getting good at unhooking and hooking back in means you wont take out someone else when you dont hook back in after a trick the first go. with your hands close together, sometimes its easy to grab the chicken loop in one hand and steer it with the other to regain control. I know too many guys that are good and never unhook, they dont know what there missing out on. Come on fellas its where kitesurfing started

TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
17 Dec 2012 5:58pm
a bit more on getting pop from the board is it should be a short sharp edge and release with the board. Check out some wake boarding footage to get a better idea
eppo
eppo
WA
9792 posts
WA, 9792 posts
17 Dec 2012 6:56pm
Try this maybe with all the great advice above including the unhooking part.

I go with the philosophy that you go where your head goes. To initiate the snap of the hips which creates the edging, think HEAD, then HEEL ( back heel).

So turn your head upwind, your hips will follow then plant your back heel in.

If you want to then convert this into a boost ( maybe you don't), then you go SEND, HEAD, HEEL.

Then add in SHEET if just boosting.

Send, head, heel, sheet in that order. The first couple of runs I do this at 45, then if I want I add in the send.

After a few cranks each side then I needn't say this weird sh1t to myself.

Might help, it helped me put all the advice like above into some rhythm and pattern.

So kite at 45, bear off wind to gain board speed and build tension in the lines, then HEAD, HEEL. Add send in when you need.


Here you go...

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Lambie
Lambie
QLD
742 posts
QLD, 742 posts
17 Dec 2012 10:57pm
As Juicerider says - 'beer' lubricates most learning activities!!!

Pop comes from carving hard upwind and setting an adge against the kite so you are trying to stop it and its trying to ripp you off the water ( ok so a bit extreme in the learning stages!!).

Another way to think about it is cruising along behind a wake boat ( nice steady pull) - if you carve hard against the boat the load on the tow line will increase and "pop" you off the water - just before you 'pop I reckon your kness will be a bit bent in anticipation and just when your kness are about to explode you''ll extend your legs and get the most magnificent pop ever!! - Kites the same really only you are controlling that at the same time - have fun and good luck!!
Babelfish
Babelfish
QLD
5 posts
QLD, 5 posts
18 Dec 2012 10:10pm
Thanks guys for your time to give me all those pointers.
Taking it all on board.
eppo
eppo
WA
9792 posts
WA, 9792 posts
18 Dec 2012 8:20pm
Oh I thought of another, is explained well in the link below and is probably as important just after you release.

Keep you shoulders pointed in your direction of travel. This is also true when sending the kite. Don't follow your kite.

This has probably been the most essential fine point I have come across.



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