Pump up leading edge with hydrogen?!

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dorothyinste
dorothyinste
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16 Feb 2013 8:16am
If one were to pump up a 17m light wind kite with hydrogen or helium would it make a noticeable difference in light wind?
Rob S
Rob S
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16 Feb 2013 9:57am
no
yep
yep
WA
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yep yep
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16 Feb 2013 7:16am
Rob S said...
no


Bawhahaha! That's it then..... Sorted
Category5
Category5
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16 Feb 2013 10:41am
I think you mean Nitrogen not Hydrogen, since Hydrogen is extremely flammable.. I second the "No" even if it did make a difference it would very minimal.. Not to mention the fact that it would be an absolute pain in the ass to pump your kite with either of the two, as well as expensive..
hamburglar
hamburglar
ACT
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16 Feb 2013 11:14am
It would be an absolute kitemare to self land at woodies
Neddero
Neddero
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16 Feb 2013 11:35am
You could do a pretty authentic hindenburg I'm thinking...
kiter2012
kiter2012
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16 Feb 2013 11:39am
supposedly earths helium resources are running low and not sustainable so don't use that... or in your party balloons.
bjw
bjw
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bjw bjw
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16 Feb 2013 11:13am
hamburglar said...
It would be an absolute kitemare to self land at woodies


To true!! Self landing is like myth like that windsurfing is cool. With helium that'd be too funny!
stuntnaz
stuntnaz
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16 Feb 2013 12:37pm
It would be really funny if you pumped up your kite ,turned around to do your lines and your kite floated away .
stabber
stabber
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16 Feb 2013 12:47pm
One word.....Hindenburg!
stabber
stabber
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16 Feb 2013 12:50pm
could be funny tho deflating the kite with all yer mates mouths around the valve....
Chipmunk harmonies anyone!

suniboy21
suniboy21
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16 Feb 2013 1:36pm
Im certain that helium when compressed becomes heavier the oxygen.
Correct me if im wrong.
stamp
stamp
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16 Feb 2013 12:48pm
isn't this on the list of banned recurring topics? (along with the eric video, kiting in the rain questions, bow kites are gaay, and boardies over wetsuit)
Rob S
Rob S
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16 Feb 2013 1:51pm
stamp said...
isn't this on the list of banned recurring topics? (along with the eric video, kiting in the rain questions, bow kites are gaay, and boardies over wetsuit)


yes
cutch
cutch
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16 Feb 2013 11:37am
Oh the humanity
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
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16 Feb 2013 2:57pm
cutch said...
Oh the humanity




AKSonline
AKSonline
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16 Feb 2013 11:59am




Seriously though, we used helium which is a little safer than Hydrogne back in 2001. It made very little difference in terms of weight or performance.

The bigger problem is that the helium/hydrogen molecules are much smaller than oxygen/nitrogen, and the Helium leached out rather rapidly through the porous (microscopically speaking) bladder material. The leading edge was OK, but the struts deflated fast enough to make them soft over a unreasonably short period, making it a bit pointless (and expensive).

Nice thinking though.

DM
pearl
pearl
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16 Feb 2013 3:15pm
Funny, I just posted this in gear reviews. Do light wind kites work
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Kitesurfing/Review/Do-light-wind-kites-work/
SaveTheWhales
SaveTheWhales
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16 Feb 2013 7:17pm
If you did use hydrogen and it floated upwards - how did you intend to sign it :)
airjunkie
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16 Feb 2013 7:49pm
stamp said...
isn't this on the list of banned recurring topics? (along with the eric video, kiting in the rain questions, bow kites are gaay, and boardies over wetsuit)




what's this eric video i've never heard of it ?






njamo
njamo
WA
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17 Feb 2013 12:19am
I have been using 78% nitrogen to fill my kites for years, works so well I have not tried any other gasses.
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
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17 Feb 2013 1:33am
suniboy21 said...
Im certain that helium when compressed becomes heavier the oxygen.
Correct me if im wrong.


Yes you are wrong. (assuming that the helium is less than 16 times the pressure of the oxygen you are comparing it to).
surfingboye
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17 Feb 2013 4:48am
mattyjee said...
suniboy21 said...
Im certain that helium when compressed becomes heavier the oxygen.
Correct me if im wrong.


Yes you are wrong. (assuming that the helium is less than 16 times the pressure of the oxygen you are comparing it to).


I have a feeling someone is a chemical engineer...
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Skid
Skid
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17 Feb 2013 11:00am
njamo said...
I have been using 78% nitrogen to fill my kites for years, works so well I have not tried any other gasses.


Me too. Though I find about 21% oxygen and 1% argon added to the mix makes it about right.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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17 Feb 2013 2:04pm
Here is a really good blend to fill your kite with (all the pro's use this and swear by it):





huabamane
huabamane
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17 Feb 2013 5:49pm
Chris_M said...
Here is a really good blend to fill your kite with (all the pro's use this and swear by it):









I heard some use gases from the troposphere in competitions. Oo
stabber
stabber
NSW
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17 Feb 2013 9:06pm
those bloody pie charts again.
Wanga F One
Wanga F One
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17 Feb 2013 8:33pm
Chris_M said...
Here is a really good blend to fill your kite with (all the pro's use this and swear by it):








Recommend using breathing aparartus handling that sh!t though.
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