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Longers
Longers
WA
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25 Jul 2012 12:36am
Just saw the amazing pics in today's Age of an Orca leaping up out of the water surfing the wake of a yacht near Baja in Mexico. It looked to be about 500m from the shore. I was kiting those same waters just last year (it was awesome)

So dumb question - what would happen if you ran into one of those bad boys whilst kiting? Body dragging maybe? Has anyone seen one while kiting? I always had this (clearly wrong) impression that they never ventured into the warmer waters we like to kite?
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
25 Jul 2012 3:01am
I saw one just off the West End of Rottnest Island as I was getting ready to go for a surf a few years back, I decided to skip the surf that day despite the conditions being near on perfect.
I spoke to the guy that had been a ranger there for years and he reckons there had been several sightings at the same spot over the years, usually around November as the whales make there way back down the coast.
Chris_M
Chris_M
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25 Jul 2012 4:46am





I don't think they attack humans in the wild. The ones that are held captive in Sea World etc will sometimes turn on their trainers and kill them, but that's because they are pissed off for being trapped in a small tank.
There are quite a few around Raglan and they come close to surfers sometimes, but nobody seems too worried.
radman4
radman4
678 posts
678 posts
25 Jul 2012 5:42am
About 6 years ago came off my board about a k offshore and one surfaced right behind me about 40 feet away gave me the ****s till I saw it was an orca,just looked at me and carried on,made me get back on the board fairly quickly though and rode a bit closer in for the rest of the day.
Plummet
Plummet
4862 posts
4862 posts
25 Jul 2012 6:34am


Apparently they don't eat people. but they do eat seals. we are far too seal looking in the see for me to risk it. if i see those bastards i'm heading to shore asafp.
JayP
JayP
QLD
249 posts
QLD, 249 posts
25 Jul 2012 9:03am
Orca are amazing - they are even found here in PNG. as i kid i read Jacques Cousteau's journey to papua new guinea where he documents a pod of orca killing a hammer head just to show the divers how bad ass they are.

you guys with shark problems should look into the concept, off shore orca patrols!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6668575/Killer-whales-attack-and-eat-sharks.html
Torch
Torch
WA
521 posts
WA, 521 posts
25 Jul 2012 7:46am
JayP said...

Orca are amazing - they are even found here in PNG. as i kid i read Jacques Cousteau's journey to papua new guinea where he documents a pod of orca killing a hammer head just to show the divers how bad ass they are.

you guys with shark problems should look into the concept, off shore orca patrols!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6668575/Killer-whales-attack-and-eat-sharks.html


Karate chopping killer whales
FARK YEAH!!!!
would even give Chuck Norris a run for his money
bjw
bjw
QLD
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bjw bjw
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25 Jul 2012 10:38am
ww62.www.tvbox.ag

Worth a watch!
simonp
simonp
215 posts
215 posts
25 Jul 2012 11:38am
A couple of orcas swum into the Nelson (northern NZ South Island) estuary a few years back so I jumped onto a friend's kite gear to have a look. One much bigger than the other (dunno if male/female or female/calf). As I got closer I realised that the large one's dorsal fin was well over head high, it must have been at least 2m. I never realised how big they can get. As is typical the wind started to die out so I high-tailed it out of there. Orca's main diet here is sting-rays so they are often close to shore, although the population is not large.
TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
25 Jul 2012 12:23pm
They will go wherever a whale goes. In fact they have been up here the last few days making the whalesharks harder to find
surferstu
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Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
25 Jul 2012 2:43pm
I was talking to a DEC ranger a few years ago, and apparently a group of Orca's got into Shark Bay and decimated the Dugong population there. Not sure of the year, but a while back. He was saying they hunt in lines up to a k apart and clean up all the fat juicy sea animals in the way.

I would not like to be in the ocean around them for sure.

Dave
Beelzebub
Beelzebub
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
25 Jul 2012 2:45pm
JayP said...

Orca are amazing - they are even found here in PNG. as i kid i read Jacques Cousteau's journey to papua new guinea where he documents a pod of orca killing a hammer head just to show the divers how bad ass they are.

you guys with shark problems should look into the concept, off shore orca patrols!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/6668575/Killer-whales-attack-and-eat-sharks.html


Along these lines:

Although the great white is typically regarded as an apex predator in the wild, it is in rare cases preyed upon by the larger orca (also known as a killer whale). Interspecific competition between the great white shark and the orca is probable in regions where dietary preferences of both species may overlap.[36] An incident was documented on October 4, 1997, in the Farallon Islands off California. An estimated 4.7-5.3-metre (15-17 ft) female orca immobilized an estimated 3-4-metre (9.8-13 ft) great white shark.[43] The orca held the shark upside down to induce the tonic immobility and kept the shark still for fifteen minutes, causing it to suffocate and then proceeded to eat the dead shark's liver.[36][43][44] Another similar attack apparently occurred there in 2000, but its outcome is not clear.[45] After both attacks, the local population of about 100 great whites vanished.[44][45] Following the 2000 incident, a great white with a satellite tag was found to have immediately submerged to depth of 500 m and swam to Hawaii.[45](From Wikipedia)
Juddy
Juddy
WA
1103 posts
WA, 1103 posts
25 Jul 2012 4:19pm
Attacks on humans by wild orca: ???
Attacks on humans by GWS: 5 in recent history....

If what's being attributed to orca's is correct, I say VOTE 1 ORCA for WA beaches....

IMO, I'd rather go kiting with orca's in the water than GWS's....
Chris_M
Chris_M
2132 posts
2132 posts
25 Jul 2012 4:50pm
Ha ha Juddy

I think they are more selective in their decision making than a shark.

If you haven't seen hw they hunt as a team check this out:


The action is at 2.40, but the lead up commentary is pretty classic
Capt Loopy
Capt Loopy
NSW
276 posts
NSW, 276 posts
25 Jul 2012 8:36pm
Saw a pod of maybe 5 on saturday at d local. Filled my wetsuit and stayed close to shore after that.
Beelzebub
Beelzebub
WA
145 posts
WA, 145 posts
25 Jul 2012 6:45pm
Chris_M said...

Ha ha Juddy

I think they are more selective in their decision making than a shark.

If you haven't seen hw they hunt as a team check this out:


The action is at 2.40, but the lead up commentary is pretty classic


Totally amazing video, with an unexpected ending. In light of their cunning and cooperative behaviour, these hunters have earned my respect.
PRAWNDOG
PRAWNDOG
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
25 Jul 2012 6:51pm
orca's are the only other creture that is known to kill other animals just for fun, other than humans. Saw this on a doco where they filmed a pod playing with a seal and throwing it around , I would not want to be in the water with one of those bad boy's.
NSW, 4382 posts
25 Jul 2012 9:03pm
Chris_M said...






I don't think they attack humans in the wild. The ones that are held captive in Sea World etc will sometimes turn on their trainers and kill them, but that's because they are pissed off for being trapped in a small tank.
There are quite a few around Raglan and they come close to surfers sometimes, but nobody seems too worried.


Thats Matt Taggart, Ozone kites owner. he was fairly spooked by the appearance of the Orcas, especially since the wind was dropping!
Dave Whettingsteel
Dave Whettingsteel
WA
1397 posts
WA, 1397 posts
25 Jul 2012 8:27pm
Apparently there is an orca pod heading south from Kalbarri at the moment, according to the Gero guardian. Fantastic to have all these amazing predators following the humpback migration, but gee it makes you nervous about your toes waiting for a wave or swimming your kite back in!

Love it... I think.
cauncy
cauncy
WA
8407 posts
WA, 8407 posts
25 Jul 2012 8:54pm
Kitepower Australia said...

Chris_M said...






I don't think they attack humans in the wild. The ones that are held captive in Sea World etc will sometimes turn on their trainers and kill them, but that's because they are pissed off for being trapped in a small tank.
There are quite a few around Raglan and they come close to surfers sometimes, but nobody seems too worried.


Thats Matt Taggart, Ozone kites owner. he was fairly spooked by the appearance of the Orcas, especially since the wind was dropping!

i bet he wished he had chose the zephyr
Dolph
Dolph
WA
41 posts
WA, 41 posts
25 Jul 2012 9:05pm
Channel nine news tonight
Orca grabbed his trainer and dragged him in
No way would I be in the water with them
tightlines
tightlines
WA
3509 posts
WA, 3509 posts
25 Jul 2012 9:58pm
Dolph said...

Channel nine news tonight
Orca grabbed his trainer and dragged him in
No way would I be in the water with them


I'd take my chances with an Orca over a GWS any day.

From the linked article above,

"There are no known records of killer whales attacking humans in the wild."

TKC1
TKC1
SA
52 posts
SA, 52 posts
30 Jul 2012 1:48am
PRAWNDOG said...

orca's are the only other creture that is known to kill other animals just for fun, other than humans.


I must say, domesticated cats seem to like killing rats/birds/mice etc for fun quite regularly. As do those staffies/pitbulls/insert dog-bred-for-bating-here that get out and rip apart any other animal they encounter on their expeditions.

I know it can be hard to not put human emotions to these animal behaviours, but we need to remember that these animals have no concept of 'right' or 'wrong' as we see it. They don't have an ethical concerns with death or morality issues concerning their prey. In the same way that we can see it as being abhorrent when there is a report of a dog ripping apart the other dogs in the neighbourhood, we must remember that the dog doesn't know any different.

I remember watching an Attenborough doco a few years ago on orcas in BC, Canada. There are a pod there that feed almost exclusively on small fish and the camera crew were in the water, snorkeling with them. It's definitely on my bucket list!

Jess

bjw
bjw
QLD
3690 posts
bjw bjw
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30 Jul 2012 10:32am
^true , but Orca's in warmer water reported have different cultures and the same ones that hunt great whites are opportunistic hunters (usually in warmer waters), taking what ever they can get.

Great whites are a dangerous kill for the Orcas, so while you may achieve your bucket list, I wouldn't be confident you'll get a second attempt.
PRAWNDOG
PRAWNDOG
WA
306 posts
WA, 306 posts
30 Jul 2012 10:04am
TKC1 said...

PRAWNDOG said...

orca's are the only other creture that is known to kill other animals just for fun, other than humans.


I must say, domesticated cats seem to like killing rats/birds/mice etc for fun quite regularly. As do those staffies/pitbulls/insert dog-bred-for-bating-here that get out and rip apart any other animal they encounter on their expeditions.

I know it can be hard to not put human emotions to these animal behaviours, but we need to remember that these animals have no concept of 'right' or 'wrong' as we see it. They don't have an ethical concerns with death or morality issues concerning their prey. In the same way that we can see it as being abhorrent when there is a report of a dog ripping apart the other dogs in the neighbourhood, we must remember that the dog doesn't know any different.

I remember watching an Attenborough doco a few years ago on orcas in BC, Canada. There are a pod there that feed almost exclusively on small fish and the camera crew were in the water, snorkeling with them. It's definitely on my bucket list!

Jess


Sorry I ment mammals. I don't think anybody mentioned anything about right or wrong, altho if you where in the water it seems you may be in the right or wrong place at any time, when it comes to predatory fish. However, I wouldn't put my faith in an orca being able to distinguish me on my surf board and a seal anyday, let alone snorkle with one.

A prettry stereo typical thing to say about pitbulls and staffy's, you obviosly don't own one. Lets just say if you give an idiot a gun someone is going to get shot. same applies with these dog breeds. In the right hands and correct training they are beautiful animals. These breeds unfortunatly attract a certain type of owner (not always), but alot. Combined with the australian media hubbub everytime theres an attack "its a pitbull", then they publish the photo and its completely different breed. So annoying to the dog owners of these breeds that do the right thing. Any medium to large breed dog is capable of attacking a child or a small animal doesn't matter what the breed.


TurtleHunter
TurtleHunter
WA
1675 posts
WA, 1675 posts
30 Jul 2012 12:42pm
TKC1 said...

PRAWNDOG said...

orca's are the only other creture that is known to kill other animals just for fun, other than humans.


I must say, domesticated cats seem to like killing rats/birds/mice etc for fun quite regularly. As do those staffies/pitbulls/insert dog-bred-for-bating-here that get out and rip apart any other animal they encounter on their expeditions.

I know it can be hard to not put human emotions to these animal behaviours, but we need to remember that these animals have no concept of 'right' or 'wrong' as we see it. They don't have an ethical concerns with death or morality issues concerning their prey. In the same way that we can see it as being abhorrent when there is a report of a dog ripping apart the other dogs in the neighbourhood, we must remember that the dog doesn't know any different.

I remember watching an Attenborough doco a few years ago on orcas in BC, Canada. There are a pod there that feed almost exclusively on small fish and the camera crew were in the water, snorkeling with them. It's definitely on my bucket list!

Jess



Saw some footage from the weekend of some crew swimming with a pod of orcas off the reef here. 100m away other were a dozen surfers not even aware what was happening.
Gorgo
Gorgo
VIC
5124 posts
VIC, 5124 posts
30 Jul 2012 3:04pm
There are reports of orcas trying to get people and animals on the ice at the Antarctic.

Click on the link below the find Killer

www.coolantarctica.com/Antarctica fact file/History/Robert-Falcon-Scott2.php

www.google.com.au/search?q=killer+whale+scott+expedition&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&safe=active
TKC1
TKC1
SA
52 posts
SA, 52 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:12pm
PRAWNDOG said...
A prettry stereo typical thing to say about pitbulls and staffy's, you obviosly don't own one. Lets just say if you give an idiot a gun someone is going to get shot. same applies with these dog breeds. In the right hands and correct training they are beautiful animals. These breeds unfortunatly attract a certain type of owner (not always), but alot. Combined with the australian media hubbub everytime theres an attack "its a pitbull", then they publish the photo and its completely different breed. So annoying to the dog owners of these breeds that do the right thing. Any medium to large breed dog is capable of attacking a child or a small animal doesn't matter what the breed.



If you look at it purely from a breeding point of view, some dogs have been bred to do aggressive things and some dogs have not. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying that all saffies will bite or that labridors won't.

I guess it was a bit of a side point about how we SHOULDN'T blame the animals for their actions. It is not fair for us to superimpose human qualities to animal action.

We need to take responsibility for our lack of ability to correctly and safely train breeds of dogs that have been bred to be aggressive for thousands of years. Pit bulls were initially bred for bear bating, where people would pay money to watch pitbulls kill a grizzly bear, the same goes for staffies except they killed bulls. The breeds have such huge tempotomandibular muscles, the mothers struggle to fit the puppies large heads out when giving birth, and the animals have incredible bit-force and jaw-lock capabilities.

http://www.cdc.gov/HomeandRecreationalSafety/images/dogbreeds-a.pdf

But that doesn't mean that the animals will bite. Or will be aggressive. And should definitely not be labeled as being in the 'right' or 'wrong' if their actions to lead to the injury of a person or another animal.

Whoa, someone take the soap-box away from me.. Here's a nice picture of an orca to get us back on point..




Jess
TKC1
TKC1
SA
52 posts
SA, 52 posts
30 Jul 2012 9:15pm
TurtleHunter said...
Saw some footage from the weekend of some crew swimming with a pod of orcas off the reef here. 100m away other were a dozen surfers not even aware what was happening.


Amazing! Do you have a link to the footage by chance?

Jess

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