Naish 07 Boxer SLE 10 weeks and coming to bits.

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metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
24 Nov 2007 11:58pm
I bought a Naish Boxer SLE about 10 weeks ago. The kite was new. It gets a fair bit of use and gets treated well. Weeks 1-9 were excellent, the kite flys great etc, etc. Week 10, the bridle snaps causing the kite to loop on the power lines, the safety is inoperable as that is the part of the bridle that broke. I checked the bridle line and there is no wear it just broke. Today went out for a session, 15 to 20 knots, one crash, cold day landed the kite with assistance, 5 minutes after it was put on the ground the bladder bursts through a strut seam. I checked the other struts and another one has broken stitching both in the same place as the other one. They aren't even wear points and the kite hasn't been over inflated. Ive got c kites that are 4 years old and have taken a beating and haven't given me as many problems. I was going to buy a helix or a cult but not if they are the same build quality as my SLE. Please comment if you've had similar problems or if you've had no problems, maybe its just this kite. Might have to dust of the old reliable 03/04 c kites.
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
24 Nov 2007 11:34pm
sounds really odd. I have a 12m boxer thats been treated roughly as 3 people have learned in it, and it still shows no sign of wear. Could be just the kite, so try contacting the person you bought it from
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
25 Nov 2007 12:49am
Thanks Skiddz. I think your right.
MartyJ
MartyJ
QLD
95 posts
QLD, 95 posts
25 Nov 2007 11:40am
Heya MM,
I have an 06 and 07 SHockwave .... build is VERY good. I have had to have a few wear points stiched back up on the 9 but it has had a LOT of use. Overall ... cant fault the stitching etc ... (so far)
The bridle on the other hand .... I have had the same problem with lines snapping where there was wear but the wear did not seem significant !! tongue twister. I contacted Naish and I am in the middle of a warranty claim right now ... they have been helpful so far.

Another thing to check too mate .... or EVERYONE to check for that matter ....

http://www.kiteforum.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=2343176

You never know untill you check

Happy Days
Charl dv
Charl dv
WA
2485 posts
WA, 2485 posts
25 Nov 2007 2:51pm
bridles have a core and a skin.. the core normally is the thing that wears out as salt crystals form in the bridle wen sea water dries up on them.. the salt crystals n sand chafes up the core until it wears out but the outer skin still looks normal. the line esentially is left with only 30% of its strength wen the core is worn out. you should feel ur bridles for flat spots weekly atleast.. if there is a flat spot in the line the core is warn out.
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
25 Nov 2007 5:21pm
Marty is this what you mean:


"This is the bar from a Naish Shockwave 2006 used 50 times at the most.

How can NAISH, state the "Building Quality", "Top Quality Materials" and blá blá blá.... and the result is RUSTY PARTS in the bar ends.

All of you known what can happen if the bar ends fail - potential risk of DEATH.

How can a manufacturer state the concern for QUALITY/SAFETY and all of that marketing bull**** and then build a bar with this kind of materials!!!!

Perhaps they DON`T KNOW that CHEAP METAL RUST in salt water!!!!

If someone PLEASE can tell them I would appreciate, because I’ve tried but no one answered.

IT CAN SAVE SOMEONE LIFE.

Another issue that I would like to post is that TOP LEADING BRANDS ussually have an after sales policy to backup their products, but in this case!!!!

I've been trying to contact NAISH to info@naishkites.com, but unfortunately no success (I've post before, trying to get a mail contact because I couldn't find it in their web page).

I've also tried to solve this question with the store where I’ve bought the kites, but the behaviour was the same, simply don't answer....after a lot of mails they told me that they were waiting for the NAISH GERMAN DEALER to see if they have a spare part for this.....bla bla bla....

I will post all the mails that I’ve exchanged with LONASPORTS so all of you can see for yourselves

Thanks for the advice charl dv the problem is it shouldnt happen with a 10 week old kite that gets flushed regularly.

MartyJ
MartyJ
QLD
95 posts
QLD, 95 posts
25 Nov 2007 6:37pm
Thats it mate .... I have an 06 and an07 Naish bar .... the 06 has the problem ... the 07 has been upgaded and has marine grade materials.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
26 Nov 2007 9:10am
metalmongrel said...

I bought a Naish Boxer SLE about 10 weeks ago. The kite was new. It gets a fair bit of use and gets treated well. Weeks 1-9 were excellent, the kite flys great etc, etc. Week 10, the bridle snaps causing the kite to loop on the power lines, the safety is inoperable as that is the part of the bridle that broke. I checked the bridle line and there is no wear it just broke. Today went out for a session, 15 to 20 knots, one crash, cold day landed the kite with assistance, 5 minutes after it was put on the ground the bladder bursts through a strut seam. I checked the other struts and another one has broken stitching both in the same place as the other one. They aren't even wear points and the kite hasn't been over inflated. Ive got c kites that are 4 years old and have taken a beating and haven't given me as many problems. I was going to buy a helix or a cult but not if they are the same build quality as my SLE. Please comment if you've had similar problems or if you've had no problems, maybe its just this kite. Might have to dust of the old reliable 03/04 c kites.


I've been using a 9 Boxer SLE as my only kite for the past year-had a bridle line snap-my fault as a line was caught on launch and just cut through it. Also had the seam stitching on one strut come undone-other than that no issues and the kite has had a LOT of use.


metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
26 Nov 2007 9:15am
Thanks for the info loco4olas. Was it one of the inner struts either side of the centre.Thats where the problem is with mine. Was yours a warranty job? if so what did naish do?
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
26 Nov 2007 3:50pm
Mine was the S2 strut-that is one off from centre strut (same as your by the sounds of it)-it came unstitched along the top seam-the one you see on top of the strut (not canopy side).

No, I didn't bother going for a warranty-couldn't deal with time off the water-just sewed it up myself.
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
26 Nov 2007 5:47pm
Don't get me started on naish and how they spend more on marketing than materials.....

Apparently you get what you pay for? Sometimes you get more than you bargained for as well....
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
26 Nov 2007 9:45pm
Loco4olas, that's the same strut and same place as mine. I've sent mine away, the place I bought it from is run by a great guy who has given me heaps of his advice and time. If he can get it done under warranty he will. The thing is its not the shops problem but the manufacturer and maybe even just a couple of kites in a batch. I will let you know how I get on when I get it back.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
27 Nov 2007 2:16pm
meerkat said...

Don't get me started on naish and how they spend more on marketing than materials.....

Apparently you get what you pay for? Sometimes you get more than you bargained for as well....


Hmmm-dunno about that-I've had a few Naish kites over the years and have never had any issues except for the current one with some minor stitching coming undone on a minor strut (fixed it myself)-there's been plenty of other manufacturers out there with far greater issues. (I'm NOT aligned with any manufacturer and own Best/North/Naish kites).


metalmongrel said...

Loco4olas, that's the same strut and same place as mine. I've sent mine away, the place I bought it from is run by a great guy who has given me heaps of his advice and time. If he can get it done under warranty he will. The thing is its not the shops problem but the manufacturer and maybe even just a couple of kites in a batch. I will let you know how I get on when I get it back.


Interested in the follow up-it's too late for me to warranty as I've had the kite a year and repared it myself-and I've hammered this kite-used it exclusively for teh past year from 12-25+ and exclusively in the waves-so it's been punished and still going strong-I LOVE the Boxer SLE (1:1) and am very dissappointed that Naish has not continued the modela and have gone off on the sigma tangent-having said that I rode a Cult for a few weeks and really liked it in the waves.

stormrider
stormrider
SA
75 posts
SA, 75 posts
27 Nov 2007 4:46pm
hi metalmongrel...where did you purchase this kite from?...i work at onboard glenelg s.a,and would be glad to help you with any issues you have with your boxer...call mike on 82943866 anytime..be glad to help and get you out there again!...
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
27 Nov 2007 9:14pm
Loco4olas, I haven't flown mine 1:1 yet. Is there still a lot of depower when you push past the stopper ball ? I adjusted my lines today so when it comes back I guess I'll find out for myself. We also set up an 06 crossbow 1:1 not sure what will happen as they aren't as adjustable out of the bag as the boxer. I have to say though that the Naish bladders are tough when mine came through the strut the whole LE dumped into it via the octopus system and the bladder only stretched but didn't burst. It needs to be replaced but it was amazing it didn't burst.
Maverick2
Maverick2
NSW
19 posts
NSW, 19 posts
27 Nov 2007 10:26pm
Slightly off topic - but am considering get a Boxer SLE as have heard good things about it - as I am beginner is it possible to move the stopper ball attachment to give more depower when the bar is released?
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
27 Nov 2007 10:42pm
I dont even use the stopper becuase I have set up a mini 5th line, and it just gets in the way. I just took it right off
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
28 Nov 2007 12:00am
I just undid the allen screw on the grey bit, moved it up and then screw it in. I moved it back down because I like to have my bar up against it when I walk my kite out. I haven't had to use it yet, the kite has plenty of depower on 2:1 as it is. Its a good kite to get up and going on and has a good wind range.
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
28 Nov 2007 12:04am
make sure you get the bit that goes through the bar and you put your leash if you spin the bar your leash won't tangle around your power lines.
skiddz
skiddz
NT
237 posts
NT, 237 posts
27 Nov 2007 11:05pm
definitely has a huge wind range... i can get upwind and do jumps in 11 knots easily. But it is prone to oversheeting because of how i have set it up. On a 12m by the way. Havent had a chance to test out the top end yet
Heres a pic for ****s and giggles


Oh and also if you wanted to see my bar with the mini fifth line... i had to make it myself because my kite didnt come with one
sharkbait
sharkbait
VIC
134 posts
VIC, 134 posts
28 Nov 2007 1:51pm
http://www.skypilotkiteboarding.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=231

i have a Naish 07 Boxer SLE 12m and i must say its the best kite ever!!!

This may sound like BS however i'm 95 Kg and i've been out in 35+ knt winds and I just loved it with this kite!!! Depower is amazing in gusts.

Before i got this kite i couldn't go upwind and certainly couldn't do jumps and things like backrolls and other simple stuff, now its second nature!

loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
28 Nov 2007 1:57pm
metalmongrel said...

Loco4olas, I haven't flown mine 1:1 yet. Is there still a lot of depower when you push past the stopper ball ? I adjusted my lines today so when it comes back I guess I'll find out for myself. We also set up an 06 crossbow 1:1 not sure what will happen as they aren't as adjustable out of the bag as the boxer. I have to say though that the Naish bladders are tough when mine came through the strut the whole LE dumped into it via the octopus system and the bladder only stretched but didn't burst. It needs to be replaced but it was amazing it didn't burst.


I HATED mine on 2:1 and only ride it 1:1-depower is GREAT-it's my only kite from 12 kn up to 25+.

There's HEAPS of depower when you push through the stopper-although I rarely do-I like to ride quite powered so the stopper is really only used as a kind of punch out system for when things go pear shaped or it's REALLY strong and want to really de-power the kite on a wave.
loco4olas
loco4olas
NSW
1525 posts
NSW, 1525 posts
28 Nov 2007 1:59pm
Maverick2 said...

Slightly off topic - but am considering get a Boxer SLE as have heard good things about it - as I am beginner is it possible to move the stopper ball attachment to give more depower when the bar is released?


I think it's one of the best all round kites ever made and, as I said, VERY disappointed that it has not been continued by Naish. It's a great middle road between a C kite and a bow-particularly when ridden 1:1.

The answer is yes-a good beginner kite and a good advanced kite. Wouldn't hesitate to recommend.
sharkbait
sharkbait
VIC
134 posts
VIC, 134 posts
28 Nov 2007 2:13pm
me too! Mine is for sale if anyone is interest! I want to get 08 naish kite not sure which one yet! Make an offer!



Mob: 0419 405 137

Dan
metalmongrel
metalmongrel
SA
118 posts
SA, 118 posts
29 Nov 2007 10:00am
Hi guys,
I learnt on my SLE, now its sick and getting well, I've had to ride my 12 m 04 boxer. The SLE has improved my ability to handle C kites increadibly. I have been kiting for about 15 weeks and the last two days have taken the 12 out in 22 - 28 knots (overpowered at times). I was able to jump, do raileys, transitions etc. (not impressive to the guys doing it for a while) but for me a big progression. The SLE on 2:1 seems to have taught me better kite control or something? The Cabrinha on 1:1 worked great. Brad got maxed a few times but it still had heaps of depower. Hes 65kgs and was riding his 12m 06 Crossbow in the same wind as me. A few times he was out of control but crashing solved that problem I reccommend the SLE to any beginner, they're great beginners kites. The Naish rep has contacted me through this forum in regard to the problems with my SLE. Thats the kind of service that will keep me buying Naish products despite my initial dissapointment in the products failure. Seems to be a one off and outweighed by the great way it flys. SLE's are the way to go if your learning.
NSW, 4382 posts
29 Nov 2007 10:51am
Maverick2 said...

Slightly off topic - but am considering get a Boxer SLE as have heard good things about it - as I am beginner is it possible to move the stopper ball attachment to give more depower when the bar is released?


Just don't engage the stopper ball at all when you are learning.
Simply don't use the stopper, then the kite will depower fully when you let go of the bar.

I am fairly certain that all Boxer SLE kites can be fitted with the new naish Smart Loop.
It will be a nice mod, gives a better sliding stopper system and then the grey amsteel wears you can just replace it and not have to buy a new c-loop.
Trimmimg will be below the bar via the mini cleat.
Fully spinning leash if leash is clipped around centre lines, and this will give the same depower as letting go of the bar, pull on leash to get the bar back.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve

JB
JB
NSW
2232 posts
JB JB
NSW, 2232 posts
29 Nov 2007 11:56am
Just to point out, The 2008 SLE SMART LOOP RETRO KIT does technically fit on the 2006/07 (pre 2008) bars, however, it is a bit tight, and you will loose some sheetability while hard turning the bar, it is fine for normal sheeting. The Smart Loop trim system is definately a great upgrade and cleans your bar up conciderably, but I suggest you try doubling your existing silver line through the bar hole and see how tight it becomes to get an idea for how it feels while turning before purchasing a SML for a pre-2008 bar.

regards,

JB
bobjaan
bobjaan
WA
314 posts
WA, 314 posts
29 Nov 2007 10:23am
Guy down the beach bought all new 12m boxer sle from SOS with harness etc.

The kite had bladder stitching come undone, leash snapped on him whilst riding it on suicide style, he had a faulty quick release that would not realease and to top it all off, both the harness rings on the side of his harness snapped clean off.

Stitching seemed pretty poor to me but, Then I ride a more quality brand. Not interested in pimping.

Point is he has been put off naish gear for ever now.

Thankfully, he bought the kite through SOS and they covered him with all bits through warranty and he is now stoked on his new kite.

Retailers have their place.
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