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gruezi
gruezi
WA
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20 Jun 2008 4:28pm
Can I please have the story behind the photo below.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=7241&text=melville

Would also appreciate if we can find the photo with the kite on top of the pine tree and have story behind that one too.

Meeting coming up with officials and I certainly would like to know of all events regarding loose kites....I can only think of 3 which are documented in pictures.

Got to be pro active peoples. Those new to Melville please note rules at>

http://waksa.org.au.86.aspwebhosting.com.au//locations_view.aspx?locationid=3

Nick

PS No silly photo montages please........
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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20 Jun 2008 6:48pm


Ben thought he would be cool and try and slide the Point Walter Jetty, unfortunately he walked too close to the tree and kitelooped into it. 2-3 hours of tree climing later he got it back with one small hole.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
20 Jun 2008 6:43pm
Yea, bring it on...kites in trees and people going into trees....come on Kitecrazzzy put up your thingy at Peli......you know how to put photos on this site.

Hint> www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2697&text=tree
buckwheat
buckwheat
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
21 Jun 2008 10:38am
gruezi,

I've only been kiting one summer, and mostly at Pt Walter. Even in my short time kitign though I have witnessed soooo many balls ups, bad etiquette and rude people. In your meeting with officials would it be possible to suggest some signs be erected at Pt Walter like they have at Margs (Prevally) clearly stating correct kiting etiquette? Not sure who would pay for them, but I can't see that its a bad idea.

Just a thought?

Cheers
moon waxing
moon waxing
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
21 Jun 2008 11:27am
I’m with erecting signs seems a good option.

Its all good and well having “Beach User Groups” but what happens when the tourists turn up earlier on a week day. With no one else around to point out etiquette and safety considerations the inevitable happens. Still difficult to police even on a weekend when more people are around, Who’s new to the area? Where did that learner come from being dragged up the beach?

A map of the beach in pdf form linked to by Seabreeze and or WAKSA websites would also be good but not as full proof as signs.

There must be a few pennies in the WAKSA funds to cover the cost of signs.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
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21 Jun 2008 2:18pm
Thanks guys and gals...all good stuff...keep it coming.

With regard to signs: last meeting City had sign guy there and was ready to fund the whole thing but the two people who are the root of all these complaints, resulting in all these meetings did not want any signs..............what's to be done?

Hand out leaflets? Get people on to WAKSA web site....all good measures. The best one is for all WA kiters, especially WAKSA members to interact with "tourists" at first sight.............just tell them you are a WAKSA member and get them to become one to..........there are "rules" to this sport of ours.

Or just carry a gun and shoot the f..............kers on site.

And another thing..............wear your dam tags.
jacky
jacky
WA
41 posts
WA, 41 posts
21 Jun 2008 5:24pm
hide your tag if you stuff something up so we can say you must have been a tourist and we need signs for the germans who can't kite for **** to take note of
kiterdan
kiterdan
WA
680 posts
WA, 680 posts
21 Jun 2008 9:20pm
Make it a WAKSA only kiting zone like Cott.

Good stuff Gruezi - a proactive approach will be the most successful.

Let me know if you want/need a hand - should be in Perth for a couple of months!
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
22 Jun 2008 12:35am
kiterdan said...

Make it a WAKSA only kiting zone like Cott.

Good stuff Gruezi - a proactive approach will be the most successful.

Let me know if you want/need a hand - should be in Perth for a couple of months!


why? it's not like it's working at cott, just got the authorities off their banning plight
moon waxing
moon waxing
WA
312 posts
WA, 312 posts
22 Jun 2008 1:47am
gruezi said...

the two people who are the root of all these complaints, resulting in all these meetings did not want any signs..............what's to be done?


That's a difficult one, maybe covert signs that can't be seen from the pavement so when Resident X and Resident Y look out of their multi-million dollar mansion they can't see any signs.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't
Dawn Patrol
Dawn Patrol
WA
1991 posts
WA, 1991 posts
22 Jun 2008 1:46pm
Sounds like a bit of a pickle. But seriously, do those people have nothing better to do than complain. Their houses will most likely be 2 story monster things. A few signs will make stuff all difference to their view, less than a parked car.
Why do councils listen to these people? I can understand about kites on the road etc, but a few signs???
It gives the feeling they want kiting banned full stop there.

It is probably mostly up to us to help control everything. If you see someone looking clueless, or setting up the wrong way, etc, go and say hello, and take it from there. Most people are keen to learn the right thing, and any rules of the local spot.
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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22 Jun 2008 7:24pm


Another point walter clown.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
22 Jun 2008 6:34pm
LOL its Carbine
buckwheat
buckwheat
WA
85 posts
WA, 85 posts
23 Jun 2008 2:31pm
Gruezi, I presume this opposition to signs is at Melville where there are evidently some retarded residents (I can't see that a sign is going to stuff up their view that much) - what about Pt Walter, has anyone suggested signs there?
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
23 Jun 2008 6:30pm
I do think that at some point Melville may become a WAKSA kite zone only.

Dan has voiced his opinion, what about you others?

Personally I'm for making the whole coast WAKSA/AKSA members only.



Smedg
Smedg
NSW
836 posts
NSW, 836 posts
23 Jun 2008 9:04pm
know this is a serious topic.. but space monkey... that vid is awesome. hahahahahhahahhaha that sand isn't even the slightest bit damp. hahahahahahha. got to go watch it again now.
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
25 Jun 2008 3:31pm
www.seabreeze.com.au/Gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=13114

Thought article was fair to a point....who are these people, and what kite are they flying?

Some help here appreciated.

Should Melville be closed during Winter? Kite only when the buoys are out?
puppetonastring
puppetonastring
WA
3619 posts
WA, 3619 posts
25 Jun 2008 4:41pm
"DPI is establishing a 50M buffer zone along the Melville beach foreshore"
scuse me
Hasnt a group of responsible kiters already done that - years ago !
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
25 Jun 2008 4:50pm
now we are farked, the7y are gonna define kitesurfing. with this you can be sure laws will follow eg life jackets ect
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
25 Jun 2008 5:39pm
You are talking trash.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=2697&text=tree
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
25 Jun 2008 9:06pm
puppetonastring said...

"DPI is establishing a 50M buffer zone along the Melville beach foreshore"
scuse me
Hasnt a group of responsible kiters already done that - years ago !


We sure did phil. And to prove the point heres the minutes
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4708

Melville kiter's were/are on the ball from day 1
gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
26 Jun 2008 11:11am
Meeting with officials today, any more info about the incidents that will be brought up...recon the blue kite is not from WA and certainly not a WAKSA member.

www.seabreeze.com.au/gallery/gallery.asp?imageid=13114



gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
26 Jun 2008 6:13pm
Good positive meeting with outcomes that will be good for kiters and residents

Gee, thanks Phil and Nick.

Note: during Winter....ie now, go kite the ocean.
Damo
Damo
WA
641 posts
WA, 641 posts
26 Jun 2008 6:48pm
way to go boys WA kitesurfing owe you guys big time!! and not just for sorting this one out but for all of the things you guys have done over the years too (way to much stuff to list here but a big thanks anyway).

i was thinking about the situation at mellvile and cott and i think it is a good idea to make it a WAKSA only zone but i dont think just paying your $$$$ to WAKSA each year should be enough to say its ok for you to kite there. i think there should be some sort of safe kiteing test or something that you should have to pass before you get your WAKSA tag. something to show that you are aware of the dangers and capable of dealing with them without putting other people at risk. it wouldnt have to be anything to do with how good you are at kiteing. but you should have to proove that you are capable of doing things like a deep water selferescue, recover your board by yourselfe in deep water, luanch and land your kite safely and be able to do a site assesment and know when you should and shouldnt go out just simple stuff like that that everyone should be able to do before they start rideing anyway.

i dont know i am just kinda thinking out loud here but i dont think its good enough that any toolbag with some $$$ can pay the WAKSA fee and be out on the water or on the beach with thier kite in a tree representing the rest of us and getting us baned from good beaches.

anyway like i said just thinking out loud.


gruezi
gruezi
WA
3464 posts
WA, 3464 posts
26 Jun 2008 7:36pm
Good stuff Damo, things should be heading that way and I feel they are....little baby steps, all to ensure that our wonderful beaches stay open to kiters and are safe to all.

Oh, it was a green Airrush kite that landed in someone's front yard that caused a lot of trouble...was in a W in the month of June....................moron.

GreenPat
GreenPat
QLD
4103 posts
QLD, 4103 posts
26 Jun 2008 9:46pm
Damo said...


anyway like i said just thinking out loud.
You're not the first to have such thoughts, don't worry about that. What you say makes sense and has been discussed at many WAKSA meetings, but since WAKSA is run by volunteers who are already flat out trying to keep up, to try and set up a licensing system like this would just be too much to handle at the moment.

Unfortunately, the various state organisations and the re-structured AKSA are the only official body for kiters who are kiters, and it's only kiters self regulating and working with the councils who will give kiters the best deal on access arrangements. At the moment most of WAKSA's efforts go into fighting spot fires like at Cott, Melville, Mullaloo, Fremantle South and Scarborough, to name a few I can remember, it's only in between them that they can tackle the main blaze at its source being irresponsible kiteboarding.

Like Nick says though, it's getting there. All we can do is work at it.
poor relative
poor relative
WA
9106 posts
WA, 9106 posts
26 Jun 2008 9:05pm

Gee, thanks Phil and Nick.


Good on you guys.
We love your work
kitecrazzzy
kitecrazzzy
WA
2184 posts
WA, 2184 posts
26 Jun 2008 9:11pm
kitesurfers are not defined as of yet in any legal way, once we are we will be a part of the same rules that apply to jet ski's and surf skis. you may not understand this quite yet but that is bad as it effectively makes us a law unto ourselves should we be challenged by the water police or marine safety.

nice link there guizie, lets see something of yours now... hell if you want to look at all my pics i don't give a toss as i'm not some old coot with a key board that's scared of being identified.
www.flickr.com/awsomephotos
carbine
carbine
WA
1446 posts
WA, 1446 posts
27 Jun 2008 11:52am
good stuff nick!


btw kitecrazzy put some warnings on that ****. dont want the feds round here on pedocharges.
waveslave
waveslave
WA
4263 posts
WA, 4263 posts
27 Jun 2008 12:41pm
gruezi said...

I do think that at some point Melville may become a WAKSA kite zone only.

Dan has voiced his opinion, what about you others?

Personally I'm for making the whole coast WAKSA/AKSA members only.






Sometimes I believe these WAKSA try-hards have flipped the script...
lost the plot.
Or maybe they haven't ?
Maybe it's an evil plan to boost the financials.
Man, safety with kiting is primarily linked to site conditions.
Joining a club and wearing a stupid tag on your harness will not change the wind direction from gusty onshore to primo sideshore.
The tag won't move the big trees, houses and vehicle traffic.
Even though this river spot looks lame, maybe it's not suited to learners.
Maybe it's a wolf dressed in sheeps clothing.

sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
27 Jun 2008 1:53pm
Can someone explain why do you even adknowledge the argument?

How many innocent bystander are getting injured by kite surfers?,no more than innocent pedestrians walking under a scaffold or people injuring themselves why stepping off the foot path.

So what if a kite flew accross the road or landed in someone's garden????

Until they can come out with actual record of people injuring innocent bystander and actually prove that it is not just a freak accident (people die going down stairs every day) you are doing harm to the whole kiting community by even listening to any argument for licencing, zoning or any over rubish scenario.

How many surfers get injured at Scarbs every year due to overcrowding?
Innocent swimmers get hit by stray boards all the time but it is not an issue.
Why not? because surfers don't take **** if you tell them not to surf near that breakwall or pier because they might bump their head on the rocks, they will do it anyway.

Stop inflating your chest by publicly defending our "extreme sport".
It is not extreme, it is not dangerous (at least if you compare it to netball,or any other sport) and at least if you do hurt yourself it will be self inflicted in 99.9% of cases.
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