Do you mean Werner, who operates a windsurfing school from a small patch of grass near Lancelin?

Did you see the following sign?


I'm pretty sure you're still allowed to kite the main break, but you're not allowed to set up near the school. I'm sure the learner windsurfers have enough on their plate without having to deal with kiters as well. (Just like learner kiters wouldn't want to deal with windsurfers whizzing around next to them.)

It's only a small patch that you're not allowed to set up on, so go upwind with the other kiters and launch from there. The learners won't go anywhere near the break, you should be within your rights to kite where the waves are breaking.

Why would you want to kite in mainbreak with 20+ windsurfers around you????
Surley that can't be fun with 20 blokes glaring at you every time you go near them.
You know your not wanted there.Surley your not that ignorant.
Main break is windsurfers territory..has been for 20+ years and always will be.
I have no probs sailing south passage with kiters and show them equal respect in the line up.
Kite Eddies if you want a break clear of windsurfers.

I'm hoping to get out at lanno for the 1st time before the end of this season.

Has anyone got a map showing the Weener setup exclusion zone and the location of Eddies vs mainbreak?

I totally understand poley's wanting the break they have loved for years and also realise that one kite takes up a shizen load of area but Weener is no doubt a total snapper making for bad vibes all round.

I do hope you told him where to stick his biggest mast!

BTW does he think all kiters are busting for a purge when they kite???

Lano main break is rarely a good wave to ride, it's usually fat and crumbly and has heaps of Euro windsurfers with over inflated egos who think they're ripping Usually pretty embarrassing display. The main break is good to boost massive jumps though, just be careful not to jump on a windsurfer.

Werner can act like a dick, just avoid him and his patch of grass, it's not good to launch and land there anyway. Go up to Eddys and launch on the point.

If you are learning to ride waves, stay clear of ANY waves where there are other good riders of either windsurfer or kiter, you will only piss everyone off and have them all shouting at you. Learn somewhere else and once you can ride without falling off your board,without crashing your kite in the middle of the break and can ride confidently in tight situations whilst giving way and obeying the rotation, THEN enter more congested breaks.

South Passage is a heaps better breaking wave and rarely has a poley on it. A little more treacherous with reef and rocks and being upwind of the island, but way worth it.

No one has any right to claim any wave for one sport or another, just ride respectfully and show you can rip it with the best of 'em and you'll get on OK.

Good winds,

Werner is only protecting his livelyhood and at that he is doing well.I was there when the first kiter came to lancelin and he was all for it.He even had instructors teaching people to kite.He was even having a crack at it himself.His best mate kites.
He is on the beach every day of summer...every day....What has got him so pissed of is the constant idiotic acts of some kiters ie. jumping over learners, crashing kites in the learning area,having to avoid kite lines,the park being congested with kites on the grass,tripping on lines,rescuing kiters in trouble when he should be looking after his own paying customers.kiters hogging the waves instead of staying in the line up,kiters ignoring his warnings to stay away from certain areas..etc.etc..

Look at it for what it is guys.Say if your where trying to run a kite school and you constantly had windsurfers in your area running over your lines and crashing in front of your learners.Free styling in your take off area and leaving their kit all around your hire area.
Would that not piss you off????
He is legaly operating in that area .He pays for that space .So yes he is protective of that area.Just like it was a rented home.You are playing in his area..So show some respect for your own sakes.
These kind of battles,if not kept in check, can escilate and the way kiteing bans in australia are going Lano could be another on the list.So use your brains people...

An hour up the road is *****. No weenie, no polies no aggro.
Lancelin is overrated.

stribo said...

....What has got him so pissed of is the constant idiotic acts of some kiters ie. jumping over learners, crashing kites in the learning area,having to avoid kite lines,the park being congested with kites on the grass,tripping on lines,rescuing kiters in trouble when he should be looking after his own paying customers.kiters hogging the waves instead of staying in the line up,kiters ignoring his warnings to stay away from certain areas..etc.etc..

guaranteed that 95% of the above mentioned are blowins from fields afar who have only ever kited flat water in crowded conditions and think nothing of being within very close proximity of other water users

it was the same back in the mid 80's with the euro windsurfers up there, the place became virtually impossible to wave sail as they had no friggin idea!

these people need educating not confrontation and ugly localism!

It's funny people are still actually learning to wind surf. WHY???
Kiting's better and (allegedly) easier.
Get with the times.

NB this does not apply to established wind surfers, i'm sure you all have heaps of fun on your established exclusive breaks.

stribo said...

Say if your where trying to run a kite school and you constantly had windsurfers in your area running over your lines and crashing in front of your learners.Free styling in your take off area and leaving their kit all around your hire area.
Would that not piss you off????
He is legaly operating in that area .He pays for that space .So yes he is protective of that area.Just like it was a rented home.You are playing in his area..So show some respect for your own sakes.

You're right, I do get pissed off, and what you describe does happen to us. But we walk up to poleys in the wrong area and ask them politely to move down to the poley area for their own safety. Some take the advice, others flip us the bird but they get the message when enough kites have crashed down around their ears.

I also pay for the space on the beach and also have to pay for permits to use the waters I use and I'm protective of it too, but that doesn't make it my space, and I can't be an arsehole and order someone off it any more than Werner can, even though my permits allow me to cordon off an area. At the end of the day, it is public land, beach and water and if someone want to sit on the beach, I or Werner use, they can.

We foster an environment of tolerance, harmony and chill at our spot and it works a treat, it's one of the friendliest places to ride in WA. And we acheive this without having to be aggressive neanderthal tools! Poleys, catamarans and kiters all exist side by side in harmony with due respect and we all get to enjoy a great day out.

I do not tolerate bullsh1t localism or this "poleys only" wave crap. I ride whatever waves I want but I join the lineup and "fit in" with the local rules, I show respect if it is shown to me and I don't stuff it up for others by holding my own out there.

If you yell at me, don't expect me to be all meek and submissive, I dont scare easily [}:)]

Just don't be a jerk, show respect and enjoy the environment we all ride in.

Good winds,

OK Lets not get into the whole kiting is better than windsurfing thing again.

All i am doing is simply stating the facts behind what is going on up there.And asking the question how can kiting be fun when there is 20+ windsurfers around you that aren't pleased or impressed by your presence???

Kitehard said...

stribo said...

Say if your where trying to run a kite school and you constantly had windsurfers in your area running over your lines and crashing in front of your learners.Free styling in your take off area and leaving their kit all around your hire area.
Would that not piss you off????
He is legaly operating in that area .He pays for that space .So yes he is protective of that area.Just like it was a rented home.You are playing in his area..So show some respect for your own sakes.

You're right, I do get pissed off, and what you describe does happen to us. But we walk up to poleys in the wrong area and ask them politely to move down to the poley area for their own safety. Some take the advice, others flip us the bird but they get the message when enough kites have crashed down around their ears.

I also pay for the space on the beach and also have to pay for permits to use the waters I use and I'm protective of it too, but that doesn't make it my space, and I can't be an arsehole and order someone off it any more than Werner can, even though my permits allow me to cordon off an area. At the end of the day, it is public land, beach and water and if someone want to sit on the beach, I or Werner use, they can.

We foster an environment of tolerance, harmony and chill at our spot and it works a treat, it's one of the friendliest places to ride in WA. And we acheive this without having to be aggressive neanderthal tools! Poleys, catamarans and kiters all exist side by side in harmony with due respect and we all get to enjoy a great day out.

I do not tolerate bullsh1t localism or this "poleys only" wave crap. I ride whatever waves I want but I join the lineup and "fit in" with the local rules, I show respect if it is shown to me and I don't stuff it up for others by holding my own out there.

If you yell at me, don't expect me to be all meek and submissive, I dont scare easily [}:)]

Just don't be a jerk, show respect and enjoy the environment we all ride in.

Good winds,

Kitehard this is how things where going at the start of kiteing in lano.Lets see if it still applies where you are after 8 years.....

BTW I totaly agree with what your saying about staying in the line up and no one owns the waves etc.
Works at south passage.But then you don't see many show pony kiters down there boosting big airs and floating down wind through the pack and body dragging through the channel after their board.
Just to add.... the kiters at lano that i consider good friends always bugger off to the passage when main break gets busy.I usualy do too and see em down there and have a hoot
Sure i am biased to windsurfing but i totaly respect kiters when they do the right thing in the waves..after all it's common sense aye fellas.....

Surfing rules....don't snake and don't drop in....

nebbian said...

Do you mean Werner, who operates a windsurfing school from a small patch of grass near Lancelin?

Did you see the following sign?


I'm pretty sure you're still allowed to kite the main break, but you're not allowed to set up near the school. I'm sure the learner windsurfers have enough on their plate without having to deal with kiters as well. (Just like learner kiters wouldn't want to deal with windsurfers whizzing around next to them.)

It's only a small patch that you're not allowed to set up on, so go upwind with the other kiters and launch from there. The learners won't go anywhere near the break, you should be within your rights to kite where the waves are breaking.

I wouln't be too worried about this. If you have a look at the sign,it clearly shows a "foil" type kite !

So.......only foil kites are not permitted !

RayQ said...

life didnt start yesterday in Western Australia as some from overseas and the East seem to think

No it didn't, but it did mature in the last few years

Good winds,

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Dawn Patrol said...

Wouldnt it be great if you owned your own section of beach
No bodyboarders, no men in g-bangers (like there somtimes are) , actually nobody else. It would be wicked. But it would suck if you dont own your own beach. Man that sounds cool, owning your own beach.

It does SOUND good DP,

But when you think about it, what can you really do with a bit of beach the width of a house block?

That's what they have here in the US, I went looking for good spots to kite when I first got here, I have to drive for 1-2 hours into another state if the wind is South through NE because I just can't get to any of the areas that I WOULD be able to kite otherwise. Well that's not completely true, there are a few areas a little further up the bay, but Kiting with Alligators doesn't sound like too much fun to me.

rembember this post the other day....
yes werner has a permit as well,but just for the beach,the water is not his its anyones... that is,in the right spot at least,if your timings right.

sebol said...

Yep i agree with that, the guy on the picture is not wearing a harness,in fact he is holding his lines in his hands and this is way too dangerous!!!

i thought it meant no puppet shows