Kitesurfing fatalities 65 worldwide and growing

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mrrt
mrrt
WA
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31 Jan 2008 1:18pm
As at June last year, kitesurfing fatalities were at approx 65 according to Ricki Lossi's sobering statistics:

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2331754&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=40

...with the spread being:

2007 - 3 (up till June)
2006 - 13, possibly 16
2005 - 16
2004 - 11
2003 - 5
2002 - 10
2001 - 3
2000 - 1

(note these are just the deaths Ricki has been able track so the figures are apparently likely higher again)

Which makes it twice as dangerous as scuba diving (in terms of deaths per 100,000 people) though a lot less dangerous than paragliding. Apparently snow skiing and snow-boarding are actually safer than walking!

Does anyone know how many more deaths there have been in the last 8 months?

Also, what I haven't been able to find out are the statistics on major yet non-lethal injuries (spinal, head etc) amongst kite surfers. Does anyone have those sorts of figures?

I have to admit that after a near death experience myself, my 12m Airush has been sitting in our garage and I've gone back to windsurfing. I haven't found any stats on windsurfing fatalities since the 70's but to my knowledge it is a blip in comparison.

-Mart
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
2288 posts
SA, 2288 posts
31 Jan 2008 3:10pm
Kiteboarding is dangerous, so is driving a car.
mattyjee
mattyjee
WA
575 posts
WA, 575 posts
31 Jan 2008 1:44pm
Meh, we gotta die doing something. I'd prefer it to be at my own hands (kiting) than someone elses (driving).
Ptussy
Ptussy
WA
86 posts
WA, 86 posts
31 Jan 2008 1:55pm
Geez - I can't even die doing nothing?
At this rate even sleeping will seem dangerous...
harrytesties
harrytesties
133 posts
133 posts
31 Jan 2008 2:14pm
i heard of someone laughing so hard,having a heart attack and dying on the couch during funniest home videos whilst watching a kitesurfing stack....
KiteDevil
KiteDevil
TAS
778 posts
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31 Jan 2008 4:15pm
Sounds like something some sick pup would put on a T-shirt....

"Kitesurfing fatalities 65 worldwide and growing... do you feel lucky.. PUNK!"

or perhaps the hardened locals sick of the crowds could plaster it on their kites! LOL

oh and the newbies could get "Kitesurfing fatalities 65 worldwide and growing... land my kite, or you'll be #66!"

Naa, seriously, it's usually experienced guys in a hurry that bite it, 2 mins to check your lines, bridles, safeties, weather (look behind you) and other gear is your greatest insurance against becoming number 66.

merman
merman
QLD
431 posts
QLD, 431 posts
31 Jan 2008 3:17pm
OOOOOhhhh MY GOD!!!! were all gonna DIE!!!!
didi
didi
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31 Jan 2008 3:26pm
What you think about, talk about to others, become passionate about, is what you will manifest in your own life. Kitesurfing fatality statistics - I don't get it - why focus on the fear of dying? When I kite, or ride my 1250cc motorbike, I'd prefer to focus on life and enjoyment.
Saffer
Saffer
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31 Jan 2008 4:34pm
Lawn bowls is still the most extreme sport on the planet. It has the highest number of incidents of heart attack on the field and the highest number of deaths (mostly from heart attacks, strokes and other old age diseases)
mrrt
mrrt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
31 Jan 2008 2:51pm
@ didi
I guess once you've had a close call, you tend to stop and re-assess your priorities and chances of something similar or worse happening again. You are then in a position to decide if the positives still outweigh the negatives.

In my case, I've switched back to windsurfing and find I get similar thrills and adrenalin buzz without the same chance of becoming a quadriplegic or something.

It's also nice not having to deal with @#%%^$# line tangles and not needing others around to help launch or land is a bonus.

I did enjoy the ease and huge size of jumping on the kite (not that I got to the stage of doing terribly large jumps!), but give me a good ramp at Woodies (or Corros) and I'll fly pretty well on a windsurfer as well.



(hey, I didn't say I would be under control at the time!)

Mind you I still haven't had the heart to sell my Airush kite, but I haven't yet got to the stage of getting it out again.

-Mart
bellz
bellz
WA
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31 Jan 2008 3:21pm
wats the point of this post??
Abesy
Abesy
WA
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WA, 266 posts
31 Jan 2008 3:44pm
"wats the point of this post??"

some windsurfer who took up kitesurfing and found out he was s#*t at it
is trying to justify going back to being a polley.....
mrrt
mrrt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
31 Jan 2008 4:13pm
bellz said...

wats the point of this post??


Um, is there some reason that discussion of the risks inherent in one of our favourite sports is not relevant?

Abesy said...
some windsurfer who took up kitesurfing and found out he was s#*t at it
is trying to justify going back to being a polley.....


No I actually found kiting quite easy to pick up and a real buzz. Having wake-boarded and windsurfed before made it a very quick transition. It was the much higher risk and speed with which a kiting session could turn from sheer bliss to stare-death-in-the-face terror that had me writing this.

I'm faced with the question, should I go out and buy a more recent kite because they are now so much safer than my old Airush Trio 12m, or should I just persist with the Trio and "be more careful next time" or should I just completely throw the towel in and stick with windsurfing? (yes, yes, I'm sure plenty of you will say number 3) *shakes head*

Instead I find the response to be testosterone laden bravado along the lines of "if I'm going to die, this is the way I want to do it". All very well and good - I'm sure it's very comforting for those you leave behind (or caring for you).

-Mart
meerkat
meerkat
WA
644 posts
WA, 644 posts
31 Jan 2008 4:17pm
mrrt said...

... my 12m Airush ....


Thats your first problem...

mrrt said...

..I've gone back to windsurfing.


Followed closely by that one.... :)

Blownaway
Blownaway
QLD
776 posts
QLD, 776 posts
31 Jan 2008 5:18pm
so what did ya do that has you so rattled ?

And yeh get a 08 kite they are so much better
mrrt
mrrt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
31 Jan 2008 4:29pm
Blownaway said...

so what did ya do that has you so rattled ?


Was dragged under/thru water towards rocks at such a speed that I wasn't able to release. Thankfully the kite hit the beach and de-powered before I hit the rocks but not before making me realise how slim the margin between blasting and being blasted actually was(!).

Blownaway said...


And yeh get a 08 kite they are so much better


It does sound like that's the case - I wonder if it would have helped in my situation?

-Mart
AB_USER!
AB_USER!
NSW
47 posts
NSW, 47 posts
31 Jan 2008 7:02pm
You guys!

I just love you guys!
tmiddled
tmiddled
NSW
253 posts
NSW, 253 posts
31 Jan 2008 7:36pm
Where can I get a list of these most dangerous sporst mrrt. Not that I am going to stop kiting by any means....just interested. I'm sure there has got to be some sort of corolation between the ones highest on the list, and the most enjoyement gained.

Tom
mrrt
mrrt
WA
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31 Jan 2008 5:45pm
tmiddled said...

Where can I get a list of these most dangerous sporst mrrt. Not that I am going to stop kiting by any means....just interested. I'm sure there has got to be some sort of corolation between the ones highest on the list, and the most enjoyement gained.

Tom


Well, obviously you need to get into lawn bowls Tom.

-Mart
tmiddled
tmiddled
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31 Jan 2008 8:47pm
I was actually told when I got my Open Water, that 10 pin bowling is higher on the list than Scuba Diving, due to people breaking their fingers when trying to bowl to fast (that would have been on an injurie base per capita, not a death one could assume).

Saying that, lawn bowls would be high up there aswell. Due to the age demographic who partake in the sport, surely unexpected heart attacks must happen on court....?
NSW, 4382 posts
31 Jan 2008 10:09pm
merman said...

OOOOOhhhh MY GOD!!!! were all gonna DIE!!!!



Yep life is 100% fatal!
Have fun!

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve
Saffer
Saffer
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31 Jan 2008 10:11pm
tmiddled said...

I was actually told when I got my Open Water, that 10 pin bowling is higher on the list than Scuba Diving, due to people breaking their fingers when trying to bowl to fast (that would have been on an injurie base per capita, not a death one could assume).

Saying that, lawn bowls would be high up there aswell. Due to the age demographic who partake in the sport, surely unexpected heart attacks must happen on court....?


Check my earlier post on lawn bowls. I think it does statistically have the highest death rate.

mrrt
mrrt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
31 Jan 2008 8:18pm
Another interesting factoid from Ricki's research is that as kitedevil said earlier, it isn't mainly newbies who are getting themselves killed, but experienced kiters:

Experience level of deceased:
4 or more years = 42%
3 years = 23 %
2 years = 15%
up to 1 year = 17%

kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2331754&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=40

-Mart
Spacemonkey!
Spacemonkey!
SA
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SA, 2288 posts
31 Jan 2008 10:14pm
MRRT those Stats you just quoted are bogus. The difference between the first 3 years is minimal considering the ammount of data collected- 65.

Also the 4 years and more bracket includes people who have done it for 4 years, 5 years, 6 years..... etc. The first 3 years for arguements sake would be roughly equal but there would be a lot more kiters in the 4 years+ bracket than in people who have been just kiteboarding for 2 years for instance.

So really out of the 65 people that have unfortunately passed away kiting the only thing we can say is that it happens to everyone. Wrong place at the wrong time. Those stats you have quoted are deliberately skewed to mislead.
Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
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31 Jan 2008 9:43pm
meerkat said...

mrrt said...

... my 12m Airush ....


Thats your first problem...



hehe
should of gone the 10 or the 8 in WA and a 2007 or newer


let us say thank you to the incredible learning curve in equipment
all kneel and pray
now....... party on

(BTW also add the number of people now taking up the sport has increased dramaticaly over the years so death rates are dramatically dropping)
colinwill78
colinwill78
VIC
1395 posts
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31 Jan 2008 11:45pm
lets take an hour and five minutes to remember those who have died.
shhhhhh
specimen
specimen
WA
221 posts
WA, 221 posts
1 Feb 2008 1:13am
My farts are deadly I reackon. Will all Die
mrrt
mrrt
WA
72 posts
WA, 72 posts
1 Feb 2008 2:22am
Spacemonkey! said...

MRRT those Stats you just quoted are bogus. The difference between the first 3 years is minimal considering the ammount of data collected- 65.


Huh? I'm not sure what you're getting at? Here's Ricki's explanatory notes surrounding these particular stats:

"A more accurate statistical picture might be obtained with a comparison of accidents to hours kiteboarded. At present there is no available accurate estimate for the total number of hours kiteboarded in the USA.

NOTE for every kiteboarding fatality there are far more (likely many 100s to 1000s) non-lethal injuries attributable to the same causes. Many of us know of people who have been hurt practicing our sport, some quite seriously. In working to avoid severe injury through proper kiting practice riders may well avoid any injury at all. This is a major point of this article.

Some of the trends in kiteboarding fatalities worldwide (total number of 52 through July 2006), are summarized below. These statistics have been calculated from reported but generally unconfirmed observations received worldwide. All parameters are not known in all cases. Credible new information received in the future as sometimes occurs may alter some of these statistics.

1. The most experienced riders appear to put themselves at the greatest risk.

Experience
4 or more years = 42%
3 years = 23 %
2 years = 15%
up to 1 year = 17%

2. Older riders in their late 30s and 40s appear to be at highest risk. NOTE: there is NO information available regarding serious but survivable injuries which could significantly differ from this summary. That is, just because you are fairly young doesn't mean you have a free “Get Out of Jail"


Also the 4 years and more bracket includes people who have done it for 4 years, 5 years, 6 years..... etc. The first 3 years for arguements sake would be roughly equal but there would be a lot more kiters in the 4 years+ bracket than in people who have been just kiteboarding for 2 years for instance.

So really out of the 65 people that have unfortunately passed away kiting the only thing we can say is that it happens to everyone. Wrong place at the wrong time. Those stats you have quoted are deliberately skewed to mislead.


I think you're missing the point. What these stats show is that only around 1 in 6 kitesurfing deaths were amongst raw beginners to the sport which counters a common excuse that most of the deaths are due to any Tom, Dick or Harriet getting a kite and killing themselves because they didn't know what they were doing. In contrast a very significant 42% of deaths occurred amongst veterans of the sport (those with over 4 years experience).

Also, if we believe the numbers of kitesurfers have been increasing exponentially each year, then there quite likely will be fewer people in the 4+ year bracket as there were far fewer people in the sport during the first 3 years the sport existed than there were in the 6th year of the sport (2006 when the figures were compiled) (or do you think the popularity of kiting isn't going thru the roof after all?).

Surely, this is very valid information that all kiters should be aware of in order to hopefully counter the cock-sure attitude that "I'm too experienced - it'd never happen to me" that can all too easily lead to carelessness or over-confidence.

Look, I'm not cherry-picking this data. Read the source - it was compiled by the respected kiter Ricki Lossi, a very prolific poster on kiteforum.com who has had very strong support and encouragement from the rest of the members on that forum. Please don't give us seabreeze members a head-in-the-sand reputation in comparison.

-Mart
lostinlondon
lostinlondon
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1 Feb 2008 7:25am
OK, so we are all being told something we already know... kitesurfing is an inherently dangerouse sport.

What I would like to know is of those with 4 years or more experience, how up to date is the kite they are using? The newer kites are more user friendly and have pretty awesome quick release systems. My Naish Chicken Loop is really easy to use and only works when you want it to.

If I got into a near miss situation where my safety gear didn't function, I wouldn't be going into retirement, I would be asking why my gear didn't function how it was supposed to, and looking into getting a new chicken loop!

jammin
jammin
WA
102 posts
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1 Feb 2008 9:55am
The problem here is that everything is becoming too accessible.

There used to be a time when rock-climbing, skydiving, downhill biking, kiteboarding etc was done by a small number of people who did it for the thrills, the feeling of speed, fun, risk, challenge and conquering the extreme.

Now Kiteboarding is joining the other sports, getting pushed to the masses, and watered down, so now average weekend bumblies are out there enjoying themselves. Nothing wrong with that... but you gotta accept that you've just connected yourself to a very large traction kite on a windy day, if this is too risky for you, then don't do it!

Why don't you leave the hardcore risky sports to those who choose to do them, go home relax on the couch, turn on the TV and watch the others do them from the safety of your lounge. This sport is obviously not for you!

manicskier
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1 Feb 2008 12:09pm
I dont think gear failures, random weather events, random actions by others or personal errors (whilst hastily attempting to get on the water after work) actually care if you think you are thrill seeker or an "average weekend bumblies", your soft tissues and bones are still gonna tear and break if something goes wrong. And with more and more getting into it, the probability just keeps rising. 2c
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