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sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
14 Mar 2011 4:17pm
Well I have attempted a few sessions with my little girl riding on my back or standing on the board but it is time for her to stand up on her own.

Bought her a 5 meter kite and a little kiddie harness but my concern is that she can not depower.

With the length of the hook on the harness plus the chicken loop and the safety above, she is left with about an inch play for the depower by pushing the bar(short arms).

I need to make it all a lot closer to her body so she can actually depower by pushing on the bar.

Any sugestions would be welcome.

She is 9 years old, 23 kg and very keen.
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
14 Mar 2011 6:52pm
I got my kid going on a 4meter he weigh 32 kgs on a 125 jamie . I did how ever had him with a trianer kite and bogie board first doing down winders for a while first then on the dna . everything was cool untill he had a big scare and has back of it for now he will be back . had same prob with bar too far away i got rid of chicken loop and put cabrinha qr on it then atached it direct too harness it still quick release of harness but was a little stiffer then a chicken loop swevelling from side too side but brought bar 100mm closer or more .As chicken loop gets longer when powering there is no streching when attach direct to harnes . Hope this helps . To the criticks as i said the qr still worked i did not get rid of that . It is harder or should i say fiddley to attach this way but kids work that out fast .
Good luck try and esze her there gentley as they loose cofendence real quick if pushed . i think at her weight could be a bit big . problem is all small kites of this size are designed for high wind and dont fly or relauch that well in liter wind (not one i have found yet) Sam
suface2air
suface2air
QLD
701 posts
QLD, 701 posts
14 Mar 2011 6:53pm
Talk to darren over ther he was really help full too us .
michel
michel
NSW
413 posts
NSW, 413 posts
14 Mar 2011 8:02pm
Depending on the chick loop set up...if it's a cab or similar how the chick loop attach's to the centre lines, I use to use a stainless steel solid ring I think it was around 5cm with a small Surefire spreader bar which makes up for donkey dck and has a short hook,it also gives you an extra safety release and IDS etc still functions as usual,I still have ring and spreader bar if want to borrow until she gets a bit bigger.
It will give her plenty of more reach when bar is all way out.
The5MetreKid
The5MetreKid
QLD
179 posts
QLD, 179 posts
14 Mar 2011 7:05pm
i had the same problem and just shortened the chicken loop until it was at a good distance
AKSonline
AKSonline
WA
925 posts
WA, 925 posts
14 Mar 2011 5:20pm
Hi Sebol,

Lots of options for you and your daughter.

A spreader bar with the hook removed (ground off) and a stainless steel eye bolt going through the spreader, then use a Witchard quick release shackle tied directly onto the depower line, this will bring the whole thing to within a few centimetres of her body.

Some small kites fly really well in light winds like the 4m Ozone Catalyst. I have a few small 4m kites like Airush DNA's kickin' around the shed but you will need to add a sliding stopper to the bar setup as they will luff if you let the bar all the way out and she won't be able to reach it again.

Biggest issue you will find is harnesses small enough, and footstraps and boards small enough. At 25 kilo she wont need anything bigger than 110cm x ~34cm. North Footstraps in the small ladies size will be perfect for her pixie feet. ION in XS will be fine for here around the waist, they barely fit around my thigh and I aint carryin' too much weight

The board you need is rarer than rockin' horse dung. An Airush Airforce 110 is ideal, or make a custom for her. Guys Like Dan at Cardboards could make you a custom small and flexible enough, or just make one yourself out of ply. Scale down the dimensions of a North Crossride 129. The board hull is the least of your worries, the accessories for the board are more critical.

Give me a call if I can be of assistance.

Cheers,

DM
Wanga F One
Wanga F One
QLD
231 posts
QLD, 231 posts
14 Mar 2011 8:16pm
Globe kites.GK have a system that's seems perfect.Above the bar loopy thingy that brings the bar closer,just for people with short arms.
e0422713
e0422713
WA
975 posts
WA, 975 posts
14 Mar 2011 6:51pm
u selling 4m dna?s
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
14 Mar 2011 9:02pm
Hey Sebol,

its going to be one of the most frustrating but most rewarding things to teach your kids. You'll need the patience of a saint and you'll need to develope your skills of calming yourself as you watch them make mistakes and your just too far away to help.

But, the highs you get when they learn and achieve the next step, sharing the stoke at the end of the day, it really is something. A big moment for me was when my son learnt to self launch safely in 20 knots and when he went up wind coming back to the beach where he started from.

It will be a skill that they will keep forever and give them a healthy outlook on life instead of zombie killing on the playstation!

I first got the missus into kiting, then my son and now just recently, my daughter has asked to learn. Each of them learns differently and I think the biggest thing that I learnt from the process was to be very patient and even when they stuff up, give them constant praise for the stuff they did right. Kids can give up easily especially when it isn't going well or they have had a little scare.

You may be giving up some valuable kiting time yourself, but when the conditions are perfect it usually means that its good teaching time too and you know they'll learn quicker when the conditions are right.

By the way, the first thing I taught my daughter is how to punch out so now if she gets scared, it is instinct for her hand to pull the safety. It will give you more confidence to to let them go.

Since Kids are not as strong, you'll need a safety that is really easy to trigger and in my opinion, the North is the best one out there. Its big and red and easy to push away, and you can do it with your left or right hand. I saw a few safety's from other brands and I wouldn't trust them let alone let kids use them. Kids think like kids and when the kite is out of control and looping you want the easiest, lightest pressure safety out there!!

Anyway, good luck and have fun!

cheers for now,

Robbie
AquaPlow
AquaPlow
QLD
1066 posts
QLD, 1066 posts
14 Mar 2011 10:42pm
The 5 metre kid (well he's graduated to an 8 when the wind is good) had the same trouble - modify but always check safety works. We shortened the C/L and re-enforced with garden hose.
In the early days I set the depower for the conditions / safety. There was a fair amount of learning before the desire to change the depower on the fly cropped up.

I (mr risk adverse) got George a local instructor (great with kids) to put a few hours of polish on before I felt happy to turn off my proximity alarm and let him go.

Looking back - Impact vest and anything to give a little bit of bouyancy.
And let them know it is ok to detach from the kite. Mr 5metre had a wake up call he handled really well in the end in the local river mouth. He did not want to let his kite go - but once he did it made helping easier.

Get the calories in there 40 Kgs has been mentioned as the magic number a couple of times - he has just past through.

My daughter is just starting on the beach and have decided to try a small seat harness and am fixing up a wide floaty surf board to get riding on. She's under 40 kgs too.

Its all in the master plan - looking after the kids gives U alot more lee-way to go and play
Hope U both have fun.
rhinoman
rhinoman
QLD
362 posts
QLD, 362 posts
14 Mar 2011 11:34pm
i found the north bar so easy to move it all down so my kids could then reach the de-power strap flying a buzz 7.5 and 5.5
Gwendy
Gwendy
SA
472 posts
SA, 472 posts
15 Mar 2011 12:24am
All the above is exellent advice. My son (12 then) learnt last year with some lessons with easto in SA and had the same problem reaching out far enough to depower. I wasnt keen to muck around with the kites safety systems (8m f1 bandit 3, his choice) but the problem was easily fixed with a seat harness to keep the hook lower and a timely growth spurt. Patience is definately the key with kids. Its amazing how fast he can learn something, and equally amazing how fast it disappears when it doesn't blow for two weeks.
sebol
sebol
WA
753 posts
WA, 753 posts
14 Mar 2011 11:29pm
Wicked,

looks like I am not the only one facing this issue and I really appreciate the feedback.

Some great ideas out here and I am definately on a mission to get her a choice little set up.

I have an old skim board in the garage that was recycled to the "too old for this s$%t pile" so I am quite happy to trim it down to the required size and add some sort of footstraps but there is basically no rocker.

Do you think it could work (seen top hat ride a wooden plank better than I ride my surfboard).

Thanks all and any pics of your set up would be welcome.
BrisKites
BrisKites
QLD
1293 posts
QLD, 1293 posts
15 Mar 2011 2:58pm
suface2air said...

i think at her weight could be a bit big . problem is all small kites of this size are designed for high wind and dont fly or relauch that well in liter wind (not one i have found yet) Sam


We always had the same problem with small kites not flying in light winds and being too fast for kids when learning. Over 35kg was OK but any lighter was a drama.
Now we use Flysurfer Virons and they are working well for us.




Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
15 Mar 2011 3:49pm
... a little bit more advise, explain everything like they are a kid . I know that sounds dumb but one day I was yelling advise from some distance away, "walk up wind"! He didn't walk upwind and the kite didn't relaunch, anyway, after I asked what was wrong he replied, 'but I don't know what up wind means'.

Never assume any thing, and explain everything. I made my son practice and practice and then more practice the safety moves, almost to the point he wanted to give up because 'it wasn't fun' but I wasn't gunna budge until I felt he was safe and could do it all, perfectly.

cheers,

Robbie
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
15 Mar 2011 6:19pm
Puetz said...

Never assume any thing, and explain everything. I made my son practice and practice and then more practice the safety moves, almost to the point he wanted to give up because 'it wasn't fun' but I wasn't gunna budge until I felt he was safe and could do it all, perfectly.


Great advice. It's bad enough seeing a "random" kiter get in to strife, let alone a mate, let alone your own flesh and blood...
Puetz
Puetz
NT
2186 posts
NT, 2186 posts
15 Mar 2011 5:29pm
... part of the exercises I gave him was to read the manual about the kite then ask me questions about it, then I would ask him questions, again, until he was correct then we did the fun stuff. And at random times, usually while I was driving him to school in the morning, I'd say 'punch out' and test his reactions, you know, muscle memory type of stuff. Broken record here, but safety is paramount!

cheers again,

Robbie.

p.s. I found choice in colours of the safety equipment makes them think they have the power and will actually like the stuff, and if the colours aren't quite right, sticker it up bling bling style. The sons not falling for that any more but the my daughter is ... so far.

p.p.s. I told my son that the life vest is LAW until he's 18 (I know its not but I told him that) and I know he'll figure it out soon that it isn't law, so he's now progressed to an impact vest!!
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