A few days ago I was bouncing on the tramp with my daughter when something in my back went pop. Since then I've been hobbling around with a sore back.

Any way. went for a powered session on the landboard today. 15-20 knots with the 15m speed. Lots of floaty jumps.... hmmmm glide. holding down lots of power. Rib crushing power.

I get back from the session and realise my back doesn't hurt anymore....

Sweet. The kite must have squeezed it back into place.

Same here, back feels a bit dodgy - go for a kite & after a few boosts "CLICK"....happy days.

Yep been out for a sore back stretch many a time worst part is pumping the kite up with a sore back before the traction session.

If the kite doesn't work next time go see a physio, not a chiropractor. Chiros aren't recognised by proper medical associations, charge three times your local Chinese masseuse, and can do a lot more damage. Seeing a chiro about pain is like going to see a stockbroker to make money, foolish.

I used to get a lot of back pains when I was windsurfing.
Ever since I took up kiting I have not had any back pains.
There fore that makes me think that kiting is better for your health and wellbeing!

I'm with wishy on this - 3 times I've done something wildly unremarkable and it has left me not being able to turn my neck.

Feeling like a Grumpy old Man; 3 times I walked across to the Chinese massage crew, $35 neck & shoulder massage and I'm back and able to watch Wimbledon on the wide screen.

Those massueses know something and don't charge the world for it.

eppo said..

pintofpale said..

Here's what I do for my stiff back. It loosens things up for me.

I put two tennis balls in a sock and tie a knot to hold them there. I lie on my back on the floor with them under my back, with one ball on each side of my spine. I cross my arms and put a hand on each shoulder and pull. Lifting my head, I roll back and forwards along the spine with my knees bent and feet flat on the floor.

Disclaimer: this is what I do and I'm not a chiropractor so I'm not advising anyone to try it!

Yeh I do this with a tennis ball leaning against a wall...but you have taken this to a whole new level! Will give it a try.

Yeah dont get addicted!

yeah i call my kite a cyro, misses thiunks im stupid , glad to read this post , i feel much better

spikeysteve said..
Reasonable hank dosent sound too reasonable to me, lots of very emotive language and one sided arguments there.

What he's doing there is a series calling out Anti-vax chiros who are flagrantly breaching the Chiropractic Board of Australia's orders. It's a spin-off of his good work debunking lies and misinformation being spread by the Anti-Vaccination Network.

It's based on this: The Chiropractic Board of Australia cracks down to protect the public.

The Chiropractic Board of Australia is cracking down on chiropractors who step outside their primary role as healthcare practitioners and provide treatment that puts the public at risk.

To protect public safety, the Board has:

- ordered practitioners to remove all anti-vaccination material from their websites and clinics
- removed several courses from the list of approved CPD programs, and
- introduced random audits of practitioner compliance with the Board???s registration standards. [Media Release August 8 2013]

Someone need to do it, good on Reasonable Hank for putting the effort in.

spikeysteve said..
as far as vaccinations are concerned, I generally think that they have more benefits than harms, but are not 100% safe (ask mick button, former rusty shaper, about his daughter saba) so should be a personal choice like all medications.

Here is the crux of the issue. Every Doctor (real Doctor) in the country recommends vaccinations for children. Why? Because the overall harm is less with total childhood vaccination than without. That is proven, the science is in. Every medical association in the country is unanimous on the topic.

Chiros need to make a choice here - are you real doctors or are you peddlers of woo? You can't have a foot in both camps. You need to decide and follow one path. If you follow the path or reason, science, and evidence-based medicine, then you need to recommend vaccination every single time. That's what real doctors do.

If you are using the term "Dr" then people respect your medical opinion. You have a duty and a responsibility to educate yourself properly in the area. That means reading beyond the bull on AVN, naturalnews etc, and actually reading what doctors and scientists believe on the issue.

You also need expand your horizons beyond the use of one example to justify your position. One testimonial is statistically insignificant. Yes, there is a very very small but real rate of harm from various vaccines. As there is from any surgery, or for that matter from toilet seats, bus doors, escalators, or red jelly beans. But the bigger picture is that herd immunity is the best way of controlling and/or eradicating disease, and vaccines cause way way less harm than the diseases they prevent. I don't want to argue it in detail but the science is there, which is why doctors, hospitals, medical associations, the government, and anyone outside the woo field are unanimous on vaccination.

spikeysteve said..
I have many clients that benefit from what I do, and love coming to see me. If clients are not benefiting from what I do, i recommend that they dont keep coming in. I really dont want to waste my time or increase my stress levels by trying to force or convince people that they should be doing what they dont want to do, id prefer to just go home and go kiting.

I don't dispute any of that. You might think you're old-school but given that you're what 6 or 8 years out of training, I'd say you're new-school and generally evidence based. But it's hard to tell without more info. Care you share your personal or companies web site or facebook page?

spikeysteve said..
I resent small minded know it alls trying to press their point of view as the only one, and anyone who disagrees is clearly wrong. Fundamentalist a$$holes.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that is referring to Meryl Dorey's personal money-making machine, the Anti-Vaccination Network.

spikeysteve said..

kiteboy dave said..
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that is referring to Meryl Dorey's personal money-making machine, the Anti-Vaccination Network.

Geez, what a bad way to make money, attacking pharmaceutical companies. reckon it would be easier to deliver pamphlets, or be a door to door vacum salesman!

At the end of the day, i done even discuss vaccination with my clients regularly, probably would have discussed it less than 5 times this year.
What a weird straw man to attack chiropractic

It's not such a bad way to make money - There's 150k missing from the books recently. That's good money in anyone's terms, and particularly for spouting rubbish to the gullible. People do that on here every day for free. The money comes straight outta AVN membership drives, plus subscriptions to the magazine that was promised but never delivered, plus begging when she loses yet another court case and has to pay costs.

As you'll notice with Reasonablehank's series, he's now up to 41 anti-vax chiros, many of whom are active members of AVN, almost all of whom repost AVN and anti-vax stories on their web and facebook pages without bothering to determine whether they're true or scientifically valid. It's hardly a straw man when these guys are people of influence that the public go to for guidance in these areas. They are shaping the opinions of the many many people they come into contact with. They need to be accountable for that.

Meryl's little pocket of the world is now seeing outbreaks of measles, whooping cough, and the latest is 3rd world levels of tooth decay - 3 year olds having 1/2 their teeth pulled due to decay. Because the woo peddling runs strong around far northern NSW, and flouride is banned too.
www.smh.com.au/healthcare/decay-in-non-fluoride-areas-rivals-third-world-20130831-2sxg4.html

spikeysteve said..

All doctors? I know at least 2 GPs who have the view of personal choice and dont necessarily recommend that every child gets every vaccine.

By all means, name and shame, we'll see how fast they get struck off.

According to the AMA, unvaccinated kids shouldn't even be allowed in school. I wholeheartedly concur.

www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/no-vaccine-no-school-says-ama-chief-20130411-2hn29.html

spikeysteve said..
as far as vaccinations are concerned, I generally think that they have more benefits than harms, but are not 100% safe (ask mick button, former rusty shaper, about his daughter saba) so should be a personal choice like all medications.

I read Mick Button's story, in the fairly emotive telling here
www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/saba-button-the-girl-who-is-never-alone-ng-435bf8c5d647535f531f4d545b782198
As a parent of a similar aged child, or even as a human for that matter, it's a horrible, heartwrenching story.

On it's own it sounds like a warning to stay away from the Flu Vaccine at all costs.

The scientific viewpoint, when you take the emotion out, shows a different picture.

What about flu vaccine and febrile convulsions in children?
In 2010 one brand of flu vaccine was associated with high fevers and fever-related convulsions in young children. This brand of vaccine is no longer being used in Australia for vaccinating young children. The two other brands used in Australia were not associated with this problem.

Experience from North America, where young children have been routinely vaccinated against flu since 2003, indicates that febrile convulsions after flu vaccination are rare; estimated to be approximately three febrile convulsions per one hundred thousand vaccine doses given to children. By comparison, flu is a major cause of febrile convulsions in young children. In a recent study from Europe, flu infection accounted for 10% of all hospitalisations among children during flu season and one in five of the children admitted with flu had a febrile convulsion.
www.health.wa.gov.au/flu/families_individuals/children.cfm

This might be a little example to show that if you look at the bigger picture, put the individual's pain in a box and look past it, skip the AVN's rabid us vs them persecution complex (mixed with a large dose of big pharma conspiracy theory), and think on a higher level, then the answer really is clear. The government, all but 2 doctors apparently, and all the medical associations and oversight bodies aren't pushing vaccination for the hell of it. Despite the odd individual damaged by vaccination, the overall damage is less than without the vaccination.

Not sure how to embed but if anyone missed the Catalyst show on chiropractic care. Even covers vaccination and the views of the AMA.

kiteboy dave said..

Don't be afraid of a robust discussion Steve, you profession isn't just about, and I quote you from your post on a surf forum, "makin lots of moola".

If you call yourself Doctor, you have a Doctor's responsibilities on your shoulders.

Some seriously spooky and aggressive posts which verge on psychopathic. It's a kiting forum.

eddiemorgs said...

kiteboy dave said..

Don't be afraid of a robust discussion Steve, you profession isn't just about, and I quote you from your post on a surf forum, "makin lots of moola".

If you call yourself Doctor, you have a Doctor's responsibilities on your shoulders.

Some seriously spooky and aggressive posts which verge on psychopathic. It's a kiting forum.

3 minutes of googling is hardly spooky or psychopathic in this day & age. It's the internet, if you put it out there then it's there for all to see. might as well get comfortable with that reality.

This ought to be in the heavy weather forum, I'll flag for mods to move please.