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INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
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10 Sep 2013 4:18pm
Hi,

what ideas for boards and fins are kicking around. Keen to see some fast customs for the big L2L Race. I know the two top guys Dale and Johnno got stuff cooking behind the scenes.

Ill be running a TMV SL62, not sure about fins yet.

jordangirdis
jordangirdis
NSW
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10 Sep 2013 10:02pm
The weed and the waves might make riding the slalom board a little interesting!
AGK
AGK
NSW
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AGK AGK
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10 Sep 2013 10:07pm
Anyone thought of a foiling board? Waves shouldn't be problem the weed may be.
Parked
Parked
NSW
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10 Sep 2013 11:08pm
AGK said..

Anyone thought of a foiling board? Waves shouldn't be problem the weed may be.


Try surfboard (tuttle) anti weed type fins, might slow down or minimise the slap, slap, crash!

AGK, looking at your avitar would suggest what would happen with weed on a foil or race board, maybe? don't know, just guessing!
dusta
dusta
WA
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10 Sep 2013 9:18pm
for the most part weed is not an issue in gauge roads . The chop and swell are more of a concern than weed . I didn't hit weed once on my sector last year and all the time i spend on the boat in gauge roads there is minimal weed floating about .
HappyG
HappyG
VIC
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11 Sep 2013 2:04am
Can I ask A VERY STUPID QUESTION... I live in Melbourne and in the future would love to give the L2L a go. But it seems it has been linked up with the Oceanic Course Kite racing Championships. I thought the L2L was a professional to amateur race, meaning that one day I would love to give it a go.

It seems there is no link to just registering for the L2L anymore. I hope they let amateurs have a crack with the pros... It is a fantastic race it would be a shame to just let course racers take all of the glory.

OH on board construction from what I saw of last years winner he had a gunny slalom style surfboard custom. 3 fin tuttle set up with weed rake. The most comfy 3 strap setup. Not a wide board but set up for control and chop.... It would change if the winds where light....
KiteOceanics
KiteOceanics
WA
21 posts
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11 Sep 2013 12:46am
Hi there HappyG! Nominations for the L2L will be opening on October 1, and the final draw for places will take place on November 4th. Looking forward to seeing you then!
wdric
wdric
NSW
1625 posts
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11 Sep 2013 8:50pm
HappyG said..

Can I ask A VERY STUPID QUESTION... I live in Melbourne and in the future would love to give the L2L a go. But it seems it has been linked up with the Oceanic Course Kite racing Championships. I thought the L2L was a professional to amateur race, meaning that one day I would love to give it a go.

It seems there is no link to just registering for the L2L anymore. I hope they let amateurs have a crack with the pros... It is a fantastic race it would be a shame to just let course racers take all of the glory.


I am 100% sure they will allow you to register just for the L2L
doycle
doycle
NSW
89 posts
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11 Sep 2013 9:08pm
I reckon the foil board is the way of the future...one will win eventually! If I find the funds for a new toy and get an entry I'll defs do it on one! All or nothing I say haha how much weed could there be for most of it.

Surely it would be more comfortable than enduring the back leg burn of 25 mins on any other board...
JohnnoKeys
JohnnoKeys
WA
551 posts
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11 Sep 2013 7:48pm
I'm using the same board as last year in this years L2L race as its pretty fast and easy on my maturing body - as per this post the only thing I'm cooking is how to keep up with Marv, Dave & Ric in coarse racing as the dudes are smoking fast in every direction and super fun to try and keep up with. But I think Dale is doing a lot of cooking.

- In my opinion any type of free ride or slalom board AKA Marv's beautiful slalom TMV ( shame I was to gassed by day 3 to test it in Townsville) any of these boards are 95% perfect for the race and will smoke any twin tip or surfboard. That said a surfboard that is the tow in or big wave style has proven to be pretty fast.

If you rode a foil board you would smoke everyone easy - but you would need a nice flat day with little or no weed in gauge roads. Love to see someone try -

If you are bored and crazy enough & want to burn a few $$$$$ you can make a custom board and then test, test test, to get it going OK and hopefully fast and rideable, but as we all know who race regularly the real test is on race day. I've seen a few other custom boards in race and most are pretty slow except for Dale's board last year.

The really big question in the L2L is how much weed is over the race - well I've personally seen heaps every year except year 1 and I was on a surfboard so didn't really notice it - other riders have seen NO WEED as per Dustas post. A bit of testing on your race board in the open ocean I guess is what gives the home town advantage.

As history shows in year 1, Alex C the French speed specialist smoked everyone by 2 to 3minutes and he was in town for 7 days so he needed no home town advantage -

This year I'm betting on Dale, Alex C both past winners or one of the top national /international coarse racing guys fighting for a top finish - and if Marv B can keep the sweet Slalom TMV on the water with all that speed and in one piece he will be hard to beat. Marv watch out for the man eating flying fish. Haha

But also lets not forget Dr Phil who has been top in the top 2, 3 o 4 for the last 3 years and is a man who may shock everyone with his super determination & total fitness. Dr Phil has a crazy training routine where he rides 100% on a stock North surfboard in a broad reach up to 10km off the WA coast solo most nights of the week before the race and is super fit and loves the open, wild, scary, sharky Indian ocean.

Don't forget our local riders Marty, Alty, & Salid have tasted success before and will give 127% in race and Marty give you a mouth full of **** hoping you will fall off as you battle to the finish line to hopefully hold up one of those outrageous huge L2L winners trophies & a wad of cash.

Also - the organisers love riders from over East and overseas and they will always have room for 50% for local riders and newbies to the race.

P.S. My only advice to organisers of race would be to extend the start line by double - In IKA world kite racing events the start line is set by giving each kite 10m, so for the L2L race with 110 riders they would make start line 1.1km. EASY. This allows every racer to have a clean start & stops 99% on tangles on start line.

A bit of history & a few racers to watch out for:

JohnnoKeys
coldshot
coldshot
WA
218 posts
WA, 218 posts
11 Sep 2013 11:57pm
Watch out for the plumber!
dalestanton
dalestanton
WA
272 posts
WA, 272 posts
12 Sep 2013 10:56am
Well said Johnno,

I welcome everyone to ride foils. Especially the top riders. You will make life very easy for those of us who ride boards without weed collecting anchors in the water and give us podiums finishes. :-)

Not a year has gone by when weed hasn't slowed or knocked someone of their board. I even saw Johnno jump of because of a massive weed line so I didn't crash hard.

L2L
L2L
WA
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L2L L2L
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13 Oct 2013 4:25pm
wdric said..

HappyG said..

Can I ask A VERY STUPID QUESTION... I live in Melbourne and in the future would love to give the L2L a go. But it seems it has been linked up with the Oceanic Course Kite racing Championships. I thought the L2L was a professional to amateur race, meaning that one day I would love to give it a go.

It seems there is no link to just registering for the L2L anymore. I hope they let amateurs have a crack with the pros... It is a fantastic race it would be a shame to just let course racers take all of the glory.


I am 100% sure they will allow you to register just for the L2L


Yes, for sure, you can enter the L2L as a stand alone entry, no need to enter the Oceanics (but I would encourage you to do so if you love your racing).

The total objective of the L2L is the match every style of kite boarder against one another, fastest wins!

As per Johhno's suggestions, he or she who is fittest and best trained will win, oh and with a little bit of good luck too!
jordangirdis
jordangirdis
NSW
178 posts
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14 Nov 2013 9:43pm
What has the average speed been for the L2L winners over the years?
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
QLD
1855 posts
QLD, 1855 posts
15 Nov 2013 10:51am
jordan your board looks like a weapon. hope u get it tuned it ;)
MRT
MRT
WA
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MRT MRT
WA, 39 posts
15 Nov 2013 10:18am
jordangirdis said..

What has the average speed been for the L2L winners over the years?


the race is 19km supposedly. We should find out accurately by putting the locations in a GPS and checking, one day i'll do that.
The winners usually take about 25mins.

so that would make their VMG average 25knots.
jordangirdis
jordangirdis
NSW
178 posts
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15 Nov 2013 5:17pm
INTHELOOP said..

jordan your board looks like a weapon. hope u get it tuned it ;)


Thanks MRT

For the first test over 1.5nm it went 21.4 knots. Not fast enough!

AndyHansen
AndyHansen
WA
278 posts
WA, 278 posts
15 Nov 2013 3:42pm
MRT said..

jordangirdis said..

What has the average speed been for the L2L winners over the years?


the race is 19km supposedly. We should find out accurately by putting the locations in a GPS and checking, one day i'll do that.
The winners usually take about 25mins.

so that would make their VMG average 25knots.



25 knots average over open ocean in 1.5m swell.... is insanely quick!!
Weta
Weta
WA
893 posts
WA, 893 posts
16 Nov 2013 10:56pm
Time to beat is 24 mins 34 sec's which is the record I think last year the winning time was a minute slower but I maybe wrong. What's impressive about the record is it was done in a lot lighter winds than last year. The winning time in 2011 was 28 mins 45 sec's.
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
QLD
1855 posts
QLD, 1855 posts
17 Nov 2013 9:53am
i think this year 30knts average will be done for race ;)
JohnnoKeys
JohnnoKeys
WA
551 posts
WA, 551 posts
28 Nov 2013 10:47am
1st year was best conditions for race so far very small swell & lite wins means less harsh conditions faster times - year 3 had great wind conditions but lots of weed
JohnnoKeys
JohnnoKeys
WA
551 posts
WA, 551 posts
28 Nov 2013 11:12am
I reckon if wind is 15 knots and on race day a 0.5m swell out to sea a race time of around 22minutes is very possible on custom slalom gear or foil. Last year I was on time for a 23 minute race finish time but slowed to 3/4 speed last 10km as I hit large lines of heavy weed in shipping channel and I didn't want to fall off and blow the race.

30 knots is under 20 minutes and is impossible from Rotto to Leighton on current coarse as a slight broad reach & max boards speeds are about 15 degrees below what we race on for this race. If race more down wind I reckon 20 minutes possible in very small swell - maybe Rotto to Scarbrough.

Foils would slaughter field in Ledge to Lancelin ocean race straight down wind but again to much weed in open ocean.

Get my L2L board back today after a few secret changes - hush hush maybe it has 2x curved 600mm rail foils in style of americas cup boats designed to get best of both worlds Haha - only dreaming

Maybe 35 knots in open ocean is possible after all...

Until race day
INTHELOOP
INTHELOOP
QLD
1855 posts
QLD, 1855 posts
28 Nov 2013 9:29pm
im shipping my weapon to perth on monday.
also just got some special 24cm high speed fins.

going to hit 40knts on it so look out johnno!
jordangirdis
jordangirdis
NSW
178 posts
NSW, 178 posts
28 Nov 2013 11:56pm
There was some speed testing going on in the bay today! High speeds - and big crashes!
WC Canvas
WC Canvas
WA
55 posts
WA, 55 posts
8 Dec 2013 1:08am
Will organizers still hold the race if the wind turns out to be ESE, or any other wind from the usual Seabreeze? that would change it up a bit.
JohnnoKeys
JohnnoKeys
WA
551 posts
WA, 551 posts
8 Dec 2013 10:48am
it will be perfect 15knots I can see the future
WC Canvas
WC Canvas
WA
55 posts
WA, 55 posts
8 Dec 2013 8:00pm
Looks like the conditions will be all time for an open ocean race "less than 1 mtr swell and perfect 14-15knt seabreeze" Wow. Big kites fast boards, flat water and perfect wind. so jealous right now.

I guess everyone is going to try gun you down Johnno - shoot for the guy in yellow with the target on his back

I'm not in this race unfortunately bad luck got in the way this year - my perfect L2L race board is getting under way this week ready for next season.

Good luck to all you guys lucky enough to be in the race, I am sure it will be a blast.

My tip would be don't eat fish for the next week (keep out of the food chain) and watch out for Bruce.

Good times
Nickb
Nickb
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
10 Dec 2013 10:11am
The wind seems to be dropping off
it say's in the manual min 15 knts
whats the go will it be pushed out untill sunday
Nickb
Nickb
WA
43 posts
WA, 43 posts
10 Dec 2013 10:13am
The wind seems to be dropping off
it say's in the manual min 15 knts
whats the go will it be pushed out untill sunday
WC Canvas
WC Canvas
WA
55 posts
WA, 55 posts
10 Dec 2013 9:38pm
Just checked out the Forecast - Late breeze but looks good for all events for sure. I'd run a 13m and drive the **** out of the board. Swell looks down as well.

Could be a record breaking race

What you guys think??
gabbondanza
gabbondanza
WA
4 posts
WA, 4 posts
13 Dec 2013 1:18am
Any recommendations on twin tips vs surfboards for the crossing. Also, what size kites are people using?
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