iam with you on this one kearnsy what a joke

just saw the flying head butt on tv the guys a nut case

The media can make any story look any way they like.

We don't know the facts, so I'm happy in my ivory castle thinking that justice is always served.

What's the alternative?

muna said...

...the law abiding citizens of this country will turn to being in vigilanty groups and creating a new justice system.

Count me in[}:)]

I (and no doubt neither do any of the people not in that court room) don't know ALL the facts of this case (please don't EVER rely on selective/subjective media headlines). An earlier report I did read, a couple of weeks ago,(in the same filthy rag that ran with the front page today - although on page 25-ish) suggested that the publican agreed that the son & father had helped to eject the original troublemakers and were shortly after mistakenly set upon by the copper. Whether they are the facts or not - well only a few peeps will EVER know..

What I do know is there have been many totally unwarranted incidents involving capsicum spray resulting in affixiation and in rare cases even death because sprays (and now tazers too) are marketed and thought to be non-fatal by the users. A fatal error in judgment right there..

Last summer at Flozzer whilst packing up 2 patrol cars pulled into the carpark with 4 cops - 3 male one female. All of them got out and were raving (in easy earshot of me) about their shiny new tazers and their eagerness to "try them out", whilst practicing their 'moves'. Seriuosly they were posturing like a Starski n Hutch parody! The shemale copper in particular was very macho and frankly, I couldn't pack up quick enough in case they spotted me as a recidivist!! Seriously it was not just a bit of joking around these characters were basically gonna let the 1st non-compliant beggar they came accross have a dose! Bloody stupid and macho attitudes.



Now... before the flamers get going, I don't envy a copper's job at all. Must be a hell of a tough gig. Unfortunately there is still not a shortage of folks who go into the service to play the big-guy/gal in town. I have met several and known (through mutual friends/girlfriends) a few of these tools too. They are bad eggs and a very bad example of what most coppers are about. The fact is though, these turkeys are still given tazers/capsicum sprays etc and stride around ready to let rip. Scary...


BTW - I haven't seen the footage so won't comment on whether the head butt dude is crackers. Ask yourself though, if you would behave in a cordial and civil fashion if your dad/mate/partner - whatever - was about to be (perhaps) fatally blasted and flat-lined..

Not everything is black n white in this crazy cosmos.


EDIT: Er.. I really should add that I hope the copper in this story continues to recover and I am not suggesting he is neccesarily one of the mucho tools, or that I know he acted poorly. I don't know and neither does anyone who was not there really.

facts are simple pissed up ferrals fighting police came to break it up police got assulted simple

just another instance a alcohol fueled violence
the judical system is failing i believe that the officer had evey right to break the fight up in any means possiable.

fact is if he was drinking piss allday that probally going to do his heart more damage than the taser

in order for the judical system to work ****tionally the slap on the wrist approach for violent behaviour isnt working and we are seeing a large increese in bashing etc

people are thinking it is now ok to assult other people bash grannies for the pention checks and go around punching police who are tryn to intervene and break up people who have been cant handle there piss

the judical system is a joke and it will need reviewing

patsken said...

I...does that mean you don't use the means at your disposal as a copper to quell what was an obviously out of control bunch of drunken louts?

A Tazer is an alternative to a gun. Unless you would normally use a gun you shouldn't use a Taser. That is why they are being introduced.

I have never heard of police breaking up a drunken brawl by shooting the brawlers.

Actually, now I think of it, I think a few shots into the air would have done far more to break up the revellers. No?

its not a police force when they dont enforce

hence they carry wepons as we are not allows to restore peace and order that is there job.

reguardless of the incidents leading up to it these brawlers we incoheriant intoxicated and obviously didnt respect the law

pitty the judical system let the poor guy and his fambily down when all he was tryn to do was establish law and order do his job that is

he would of been better of if he shot the bloke in all honesty

A Tazer is an alternative to a gun. Unless you would normally use a gun you shouldn't use a Taser. That is why they are being introduced.

I have never heard of police breaking up a drunken brawl by shooting the brawlers.

Actually, now I think of it, I think a few shots into the air would have done far more to break up the revellers. No?

The above comments alone made by you show a complete lack of understanding of the equipment at the disposal of Police, and when and where they can be used. But again, this is a public forum where uneducated comments can be made freely.

Hopefully this officer recovers to the best extent he can and return to some type of normality.

Too much piss and bravado all round for sure.

I personally have never, ever understood using your head as a instrument for smashing into hard objects???

Have now seen the footage, and yes it is pretty fugly awright. Must say though the guy's defence would be supported by that footage, as he just seemed to go a bit apesh!t at the sight of his (not-so) dear old dad coppin the party lights treatment.

I do feel sorry for the copper but there is no such thing as a just world - simple as that.

All involved (coppers n biffers) would no doubt wish they had acted differantly now. Think about that the next time some fknuckle making his way through the Friday swill-fest bumps ya drink all over ya in the pub.. Is it worth a biff that may change ya life forever? Nup - just suck the suds outa ya shirt, get another $7 beer and move on.. A better option for sure.


BTW - I believe the brain damage was caused by hitting the deck - not the noggin butt. As has been the case several times over the last couple of years in the 'One-punch' cases in WA - right or wrong - the biffer gets off as the punch did not cause the damage but the fall. Stoopid, I know but you can't have one law for Joe Public and another for Constable Care.

Anyhoo I am goin kiting - where water is water, a board is a board, and with any luck, I won't bump into anything - speshly with a large flat foreheed sportin cheap Taiwanese Ozzy boardies!

Have a safe weekend all.

Oh here how it supposedly went, MCLEODS vs PAINTER's CREW in bar, MCLEODS help barmaid to stop fighting. Chairs are thrown. MCLEAOD go outside, police arrive.

MCLEODS try to tell police who the troublemakers were, police tell MC to calm down a scuffle breaks out between them. All hell breaks loose.

Who do they think they are anyways trying to beat up coppers even if they were excessive they should be allowed to do that, that is where it all goes wrong, if you do that in any other country, Italy you get shot, Thailand, you get shot, America, Judge Judy will come down on you hard. Why so different here it must stop hey.

Still Ropable
Rio

Sounds like a disgusting decision to me, I admit I don't know all the facts but it sounds like these guys had been drinking heaps, were brawling and the police were just trying to break it up. If the McLeods had co-operated the tazer would not have been fired.
I wouldn't want to be a police officer in this day and age and if we don't protect them it is only going to get worse.
I don't think this will be the last we hear of this case and I wouldn't mind betting this is not the first time members of that family have been involved in violence. Sure if most people saw someone fire a tazer at their dad they might retaliate but the average person would not even think, let alone know how, to deliver a flying headbutt like that.

Spray would've been the better option. Batons are easy to stand up against, they hurt yes but once you have adrenaline, drugs or alcohol in your system they are easy to ignore. So in the end you are left with the copper going toe to toe with nutter. Police are only allowed to strike muscular areas of legs & arms unless their lives are threatened. They are a great deterent & a better option within a group of people than tazer or spray.

Having seen many violent/scary situations in my line of work, with police often present, i say every cop should have a tazer.

I feel for you guys and the crap judgment.

These are my thoughts...
Any assult on a copper should be a crime with a harsh penalty, NO MATTER WHAT! Acting in self defence is a bull5h1t excuse. If you find yourself getting restrained by a copper its for a reason huh? If your resisting being restrained and/or trying to assult the copper in the process, then I reckon a taser is the best option to protect the copper, the public and to settle your sorry ass down. If you dont want to be tasered its simple. You know the answer.
Looking at that footage I see idiots brawling with coppers, showing a lack of respect and disreguard for their own or anybody elses life.
Pulling out his tazer was definately a good call.
And a gutless flying headbutt from behind was a cowards attack.
Who cares what the story was that led to an idiot headbutting a cop. He did it. He caused perminate injury and he should pay the price.