So many "might" and "could be".
It could be giving me bad wind.
Tell me when they know something for real.

On the other hand, when you see a whale being dragged tail first
and bleeding, up a slaughter ramp, you can be pretty sure it is
either dead, or soon will be.

Do you think the comparison between the Japanese and the Americans
in that regard is a fair one flysurfer?
Well, I spose you do or you wouldn't have said it.

Unfortunately if this type of sonar is shelved the chinese and russians will be exploiting the gap and stationing subs right off our coast to threaten us, how about blaming the chinese and the russians? also the iranians are working on some subs to threaten nations in the med and the mid east.

p wee, it's like this... I gas 10 trees in the Daintree, later I count the dead and injured animals, from that I can extrapolate the number if I gas 1000 trees.

Well the US Navy did that and came up with those numbers... simplez.

No one threatens

Beaglebuddy said..

Unfoparanoidtely if this type of sonar is shelved the chinese and russians will be exploiting the gap and stationing subs right off our coast to threaten us, how about blaming the chinese and the russians? also the iranians are working on some subs to threaten nations in the med and the mid east.

Fark america, bunch of self righteous paranoid useless pricks

No one threatens America.

You as s holes threaten everyone else

Fly pilot less drones and bomb innocent people

you do realize, you fat dumb Bastards have been harping on about the iranians having nuclear capabilities since the early eighties.

Here's a Pygmy Blue I jagged on an 18/0 treble at Rotto a few years back. Took me ages to find its brain to iki jimi it but it was worth it, best sashimi I've had.

pweedas said..
Do you think the comparison between the Japanese and the Americans
in that regard is a fair one flysurfer?
Well, I spose you do or you wouldn't have said it.

No I think the Japs are way better.
Japs: Long history of kill whales for food, originally ~fairly sustainably... I'm still very much against them on this.
Yanks: Long history of slaughtering whales for oil, to the point of near extinction. Now acoustically polluting the oceans with intense sonar, causing Cetacea to beach themselves or die in EXCRUCIATING pain...

Here's a human example... imagine if this was your home and you had nowhere to go; you may want to plug the sound in to your 10000w amp, cover your eyes (Cetacea use sonar to navigate) and wait until your ears start bleeding to get a better idea:

Mark said;
"So the US shelves all its military hardware and nothing bad would happen to them? Nobody would invade or have a go at their assets? Nothing?"



I would think their bottom would be a bit tender at the very least should they try and shelve an arsenal of that size.
Can't think of a better place for it myself though...

Rupert said..

I didn't know the Yanks were the ONLY country in the world that used submarines or sub surface acoustic technology.....Thanks Fly, I'm glad the other 40 or so countries don't hurt whales.

Bloody Yanks.

Well Rupert, allow me to inform you.

The US use a different type of sonar know as LFA Sonar... not your old school ping/echo, this is basically a 10 second intense 360degree variable frequency sonic wall. They originally employed the SURTASS LFA which was a passive/active sonar array with ~120NM range towed behind a boat.

SURTASS had 2 problems:
1.- It had to be slow, to keep the hydrophones on a vertical plane.
2.- It had a limitation of range bcos of the amount of towing cable.

So now the navy use their existing passive receivers part of the IUSS (Integrated Undersea Surveillance System) LIKE WHAT MOST OTHER COUNTRIES USE and tow dozens of 3D LFA with ~6x the dB output.

Other countries have sonar similar to SURTASS, but none have LFA with such high dB output.
Now they can use more and faster ships with the active array, and use stationary receivers at much greater distance.

Ask yourself how bad things have to be for you and your whole family to kill yourselves.

LFA sonar is a direct affront to the oceans life and must be banned.

The following clip describes the old type of LFA... like Christmas cracker vs a stick of TNT.

saltiest1 said..
... their govt are messed up.

Lets not forget the Navy... Cetacea mass murderers!

Ye Olde sonar victims....

FlySurfer said..

clenmenttohn said..
Cell phone jammer is an interesting and helpful device when we don???t want to be bothered by the cell phone noise. I just bought myself a cell phone jammer the other day,it is working great and BTW, it???s legal here in my country.

Couldn't u find the off button? Take out the battery?

Derrr, other people's phones.

moohan said..


Ye Olde sonar victims....

Navy SAYS:
www.navytimes.com/article/20130830/NEWS04/308300011/Navy-studies-Training-testing-may-kill-whales-dolphins