Do they have oil?

Mobydisc said...

choco said...

How many people in Syria need to die before these "clowns" act?
10,000+ ?

Probably times that by 100 and there still won't be any action.

What sort of action should there be? Invade the place with armoured columns and airborn infantry, kick out the Assad regime, track him down, hang him, set up a provisional government?


The yanks pulled similar stunts next door in Iraq, blowing the crap out of Najaf and Fallujah, killing heaps of civilians in the process and the UN did nothing much about that.

Its one bunch of bastards fighting another bunch of bastards and some other poor bastards getting caught in the middle.

The worst thing the UN could do is impose something like a no fly zone that will draw out the fighting for another 10 years or more. Better to stay out of it. Its costing untold billions all these middle eastern wars and the return is just death and maiming of our soldiers.

The Syrian opposition groups are full of Sunni fundalmentalists who want to turn the place into a Islamic state.

simple, arm the people to even up the fight

at least the yanks do something

thats better than sitting on your ass and doing nothing like the UN do,
there will be casualties no matter what happens, imo its good that america has the balls to do something because no one else does

Jarryd

choco said...
simple, arm the people to even up the fight

Tried that in the 1980's to enable the Mujahideen to repel Soviet invaders.
That worked well Many of the ungrateful wankers still hate us because their book tells them to, and all the training / weapons provided is used against the West

petermac33 said...

The U.S used white phosphorus in Fallujah,a weapon of mass destruction. If you refused to evacuate Fallujah and survived the burning of the white phosphorus,you were considered enemy,many were terminated.

Where is the investigation by the U.N or U.S into this?

All military forces in the world use WP
It is not illegal
Saddam saw fit to use it against his own people, are you going to post about that?

Apart from calling it a weapon of mass destruction, which it clearly is not (by definition) what is your point?

Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.

The question is if people always have right to riot against authority ?
Even minorities against majority?
So if there are willing victims of their stupidity is that is always a matter of UN to intervene?
That could be really bad example to encourage and engulf every minor conflict or problem into local war.
Follow this every state on the Earth could find find small opposition willing to draw blood instead of drawing votes in democratic process.
I do blame opposition for that lost lives at least as much if not more as oppressors.

For those still in doubt I suggest to look at recent history that could finish in the bloodiest conflict in human history but all happen without single life lost.
Disintegration of Eastern Europe and communist block.

The main difference between "East/West Europe" and "Middle East" was the first was very well educated indeed and could choose and come to rational solution.

If there is anything for UN to do maybe print a history books and drop on the heads from the air in affected by ignorance areas, not the weapons.

mineral1 said...

Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.

Oh intrepid and learned student of history! And Europe has not been "killing one another" for centuries?

Why do so many people just parrot the crud that is fed to us by the main stream media. Any tosser with half a brain can see within half an hours reading of the other side of the story that the sh1te we get fed is propaganda.

Unfortunately the situation in the middle east is extremely complex and cannot be summed up in as many words as will hold the parrots attention. What can be said is that a significant amount of the problems being played out there, no nearly all, are as a direct result of Western nations meddling in internal affairs.

Like propping up wankers such as Mubarak or helping depose popularly and democratically elected individuals like Mosaddegh.

And Choco's honourable sentiment about arming the other side, who the hell do you think is arming them, training them, financing them and feeding them? The Dalai Lama?

Jradedmondo said...

in summary the UN are pussies that sit on their asses and do nothing

Jarryd

Your summary. There ain't no one is going to stop you from shouting your ignorance from the roof tops.

Religious fanatics trying to take the power........... baaaaaaaaah! deja-vu!!!!! (Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq........... Ireland?)
Just stay out of it as there's nothing to gain. They will sort it out themselves and one dictator will get the power.
Some countries are not meant to have democracy, my grand dad used to believe that Italy and Greece were like that.
Just build more detention centres here as the Syrian boats are going to come soon!

japie said...

mineral1 said...

Middle East been killing one and other for centuries
Honorable sentiment choco, but as a realist, there isn't a solution for them other than exchanging one brutal dictator for another.
All the UN can do is hope to contain it within its current boundaries .
Look at Libya, what a bloody mess then again they do have some oil.

Oh intrepid and learned student of history! And Europe has not been "killing one another" for centuries?

Why do so many people just parrot the crud that is fed to us by the main stream media. Any tosser with half a brain can see within half an hours reading of the other side of the story that the sh1te we get fed is propaganda.

Unfortunately the situation in the middle east is extremely complex and cannot be summed up in as many words as will hold the parrots attention. What can be said is that a significant amount of the problems being played out there, no nearly all, are as a direct result of Western nations meddling in internal affairs.

Like propping up wankers such as Mubarak or helping depose popularly and democratically elected individuals like Mosaddegh.

And Choco's honourable sentiment about arming the other side, who the hell do you think is arming them, training them, financing them and feeding them? The Dalai Lama?

Can I get a kilo of whatever you are on
The topic was or is reflecting Syria ya goose

Macroscien said...

I wonder if there is any country in the whole world , even the poorest African one that would sacrifice their freedom in exchange for full control and compliance by UN?

It could be interesting experiment to see the poorest African state voted one day to be govern my UN experts in exchange for vision of prosperity and peace.

-Universal state constitution could be drawn.
-Human rights assured ( and all religions banned ! )
-No private weapons at all .
-Work for everybody willing to do so ( even if created and subsidies by UN)
-Compulsory education for 10 years at least
- Compulsory home for every family with mortaged loan for next 25 years that MUST be repaid with interest
-Fully computerized and ID's whole community (for total control)

Even if founded as whole world experiment-project could be cheaper that next war.

And thus Macro invents communism

Pat always has an entertaining view.

japie said...

^@Mineral1

What is happening in Syria is a carbon copy of what happened in Libya, honk honk.

It is being disrupted with the goal of destabilising it. This is being done by Nato interests supported by the same old crew, Blackwater et al. I do not pretend to have the full picture of what is going on over there but I sure as hell know that the "picture" that we are given by mainstream media is completely one sided.

Oh, and congratulations on your wit and debating skills

Did any kids in Lybia have their throats cut like in Syria recently? don't know how soldiers could do this to their own people/kids

petermac33 said...

Another example of propaganda.

www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9293620/BBC-News-uses-Iraq-photo-to-illustrate-Syrian-massacre.html

This is getting more common in todays media, its a shame really