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The state of the modern medical system?

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Created by Waveless > 9 months ago, 28 Mar 2014
Waveless
VIC, 117 posts
29 Mar 2014 1:24AM
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Having had a bad run of illness, the need for surgery and the likes, I've had a good run in with many health professions over the last month or so. All in all having grown up in the days of the trusted family GPs, gone are the day when you could have a friendly chat with them about so and so. It seems that we're simply seen more as clients than patients and on a factory line at that! My recent visit to the local doctor as my family GP has retired was a check up that lasted less than 10min. All in all it was in, poke and prod, provide prescription then a courteous 'good bye' as he stared at his computer screen.

This was even worse with my surgery consult (separate problem). Same thing basically yet it cost me an arm and a chair. I mean, the doctor was friendly enough yet lacked the compassion and reassurance I remember feeling from the doctors of the old. Everything was straight to the point as if their time with me was costing them their life. Furthermore I was funnelled into the next room to be served by a clearly sunday session recovering nurse to finish off paper work. The silence in the room was deafening as my questions were answered bluntly before being shoo'd to the administration staff.

Allied health while better, fared the same. Even here the local physio seemed to lack compassion. My highlight of my appointment was how jovial and caring the administration staff were.

So what has happened to our health system? Is it really that hard for health professions to even show a slight bit of care these days? Allied health don't seem too bad but so many doctors I have visited seem to see me as a treasure chest they are prying open to help pay for their university debt and what not.

Mark _australia
WA, 23581 posts
28 Mar 2014 10:51PM
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Hmmm I have found quite the opposite.

I found when I had surgery recently in the public system and not by choice (if it was planned, I'd have been using private for sure) that the staff were awesome. Really really good, caring committed people, despite the very obvious lack of resources.
Everything was done to the n-th degree and they really cared.

Then again maybe I was just lucky with people: as to physical stuff I was totally speechless that the public health system can't give you a bar of soap though. Shower in the room - no soap. For that, one must be a private patient or have your rellies bring it in.
Really, soap. FFS

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
28 Mar 2014 11:53PM
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They must not want to be held liable if you slip over on their soap.

rburtyy
NSW, 265 posts
29 Mar 2014 9:41AM
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I reckon more money needs to be put into our health system and not wasted on stupid vote raising ,plucked out of the sky one off hand outs. No wonder Doctors, nurses etc aren't up for chatting all the time THEY ARE TIRED from working ridiculously long hours. My personal experience with the public system though is that I was treated very well and was happy with my care.

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
29 Mar 2014 7:17AM
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Wife had to admitted back into theatre due to having had gauze and suture material left inside her for 5 weeks before they done a scan to determine inorganic material, post a C section, this caused a large haematoma that got internally infected, First thing the surgeon highlighted was these things happen and had a copy of the waver we signed, at 2am in the morning after being emergency amboed to bunbury St john of go hospital after 40 hours of labour in margs. Wife is super clean and she wasn't allowed to have a shower for those 5 weeks because of the wicks shes had into her stomach

Think the practice is called "CYA"

Guess everybody makes mistakes but is relying on a waver attributing to surgeons really not giving a foook?

Reward outweighs all




Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
29 Mar 2014 8:17AM
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I have 2 recent examples of the so called profesional who work under this system; I was injured at work and eventually the Doc determined I needed an arthroscopy, 6-8 weeks of work then back to work. Well , after 9 mths of sh-t, and 2 arthroscopy's I changed doctors , had another MRI, showed fragments STILL floating around the knee and muscle caught in the joint line.Had 3rd arthroscopy ,doc showed REAL interest and concern , unlike the arragant south african prick that did the first 2. Anyway 10 weeks later all is back to almost good as new.
Second incedent is ALOT more serious, my mates wife went in for day surgery to have a biospy on her chest. He dropped her off in the morning , they signed a disclaimer negating the quack from any blame if any problems occured.
She was cremated last thursday , they slipped, cut a blood vessel they shouldn't have and she bleed out into her lungs!!
Don't hestate to get a second opinion, there are alot of fools working under this system

RIP Margret

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
29 Mar 2014 8:17AM
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I have 2 recent examples of the so called profesional who work under this system; I was injured at work and eventually the Doc determined I needed an arthroscopy, 6-8 weeks of work then back to work. Well , after 9 mths of sh-t, and 2 arthroscopy's I changed doctors , had another MRI, showed fragments STILL floating around the knee and muscle caught in the joint line.Had 3rd arthroscopy ,doc showed REAL interest and concern , unlike the arragant south african prick that did the first 2. Anyway 10 weeks later all is back to almost good as new.
Second incedent is ALOT more serious, my mates wife went in for day surgery to have a biospy on her chest. He dropped her off in the morning , they signed a disclaimer negating the quack from any blame if any problems occured.
She was cremated last thursday , they slipped, cut a blood vessel they shouldn't have and she bleed out into her lungs!!
Don't hestate to get a second opinion, there are alot of fools working under this system

RIP Margret

Underoath
QLD, 2434 posts
29 Mar 2014 1:23PM
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^ Sorry to hear about your friends loss.

The presence of a disclaimer in a legally binding agreement does not necessarily guarantee that the terms of the disclaimer will be recognized and enforced in a legal dispute.

There may be other legal considerations that render a disclaimer void either in whole or part.

Doctors have insurance for a reason.

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
29 Mar 2014 1:16PM
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^^^
As underoath said, they still have to prove they were not negligent for their waver to stand up, dont they??

Cassa
WA, 1305 posts
29 Mar 2014 4:15PM
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^^^ I guess so , but I have to let him grieve, at this time to start delving into cause and effect of the situation is only going to increase his pain.
It's just a sad ,sad situation all round, so being compassionate to him at this time is the only priority.


Makes you really think about the system big time though

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
29 Mar 2014 5:04PM
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The old 'I slipped with the scalpel' excuse is so lame. What was the surgeon doing? Surgery on roller blades?

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
29 Mar 2014 5:05PM
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^^^
CASA you could do the ground work and when there ready you could share it.

For me wifes last op i mentioned above was only last week.....who knows a good legal rep?

Dezman
NSW, 818 posts
30 Mar 2014 5:16AM
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This whole business of hospitals scares the fark out of me!...
I don't want compassion from the doctor that's the nurses job, I want drugs.
So many that I won't even know my name or any mistakes they make, but that's not how it works.
I'm practising my profomance for when I have to beg for pain relief, gee I hope I die young!!!
Not to see it coming is all I beg of this universe, a quick unseen ending!
"Lookout for that bus Des" what? Bang........

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
30 Mar 2014 9:43AM
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Dezman said..

This whole business of hospitals scares the fark out of me!...
I don't want compassion from the doctor that's the nurses job, I want drugs.
So many that I won't even know my name or any mistakes they make, but that's not how it works.
I'm practising my profomance for when I have to beg for pain relief, gee I hope I die young!!!
Not to see it coming is all I beg of this universe, a quick unseen ending!
"Lookout for that bus Des" what? Bang........


pain is a funny thing take tattoo's I like many others have an addiction to the pain. Is the pain in the end so blisfull you waste away??? I guess no one will ever know..

hargs
QLD, 634 posts
30 Mar 2014 2:32PM
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Underoath said..



The presence of a disclaimer in a legally binding agreement does not necessarily guarantee that the terms of the disclaimer will be recognized and enforced in a legal dispute.

There may be other legal considerations that render a disclaimer void either in whole or part.





It's really a matter of informed consent which is intended to bring to ones attention any potential risks associated with a procedure both during a surgical procedure and post operatively & it certainly does not excuse neglect. Leaving gauze in following a procedure is inexcusable and certainly neglect/malpractice. The Dr. wouldn't have leg to stand on in court no matter what the patient had signed.

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
30 Mar 2014 3:03PM
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^^^^^^
doctor wouldn't have leg to stand on in court no matter what the patient had signed.





Well that's what I am thinking, Might take it up with one of those lawyers that don't charge unless they win deal, would be happy to give them their high fee if they could get anything in regards to compensation.

rod_bunny
WA, 1089 posts
31 Mar 2014 11:12PM
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rburtyy said..
THEY ARE TIRED from working ridiculously long hours.


THIS I don't understand... if you drive a truck you are only allowed to work a set number of hours, same with any mining related job, fatigue management is a huge thing.

But working double shifts where you're directly responsible for peoples lives... no big deal.

I really don't understand it.

alohahugo
NSW, 141 posts
1 Apr 2014 9:49PM
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Interesting and I must say that I am appalled by a surgeon who F's up as badly as in Cassas story. I hope your friend gets something for his pain and grief.
However The other day I was attending a job where i had to meet a client that I had never met before. He came in Bitchin about how much he paid the surgeon who had performed a triple by pass and basically saved his life the amount was $7000 including the other doctors attending. But not the hospital fees. Big whinge on and on.
He then proceeds to sing the praises of the mechanic who had just fleeced him for around $3500 for a service and new tyres on his Merc.
All the time we were standing in his $15 million factory.
At this point I subtly tried to point out the relative merits of getting your health returned to you at 55 for a cheap $7000 by a surgeon who has trained for probably 14 years to be at the top of his game and pays all sorts of Medical indemnity insurance ,against the 20,000 km service on his $120k car that he will have to pay for again next year done by a guy who probably has 3 years training and a hangover and can't spell insurance.
Unfortunately the subtly was completely lost on this arrogant prick. So when I had done my job I doubled the fee and hoped to never hear from him again. Unfortunatley he paid and now I have further work from him at my inflated fees that he seems happy to pay as they are a tax deduction.
Go Figure

stamp
QLD, 2797 posts
1 Apr 2014 9:35PM
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Jared888 said..


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doctor wouldn't have leg to stand on in court no matter what the patient had signed.





Well that's what I am thinking, Might take it up with one of those lawyers that don't charge unless they win deal, would be happy to give them their high fee if they could get anything in regards to compensation.


be careful with no-win no-fee deals. if you lose it means you don't pay your solicitor's fee for legal advice. but you still have to pay costs for the other party, barrister's fees, filing fee, expert's report fees, medical report fees, administrative costs, clerical costs etc. make sure they are up front about what you will have to pay.

Mark _australia
WA, 23581 posts
1 Apr 2014 7:42PM
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Chris6791 said..
Surgery on roller blades?


Sounds like a Japanese gameshow

Harrow
NSW, 4521 posts
1 Apr 2014 11:30PM
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We're all paying through the nose for their insurance premiums. It's all added to the fees they charge. When there is a genuine stuff up, you are well and truly entitled to get your compensation. After all you have paid for it, not them.

stamp
QLD, 2797 posts
2 Apr 2014 9:51AM
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Harrow said..

We're all paying through the nose for their insurance premiums. It's all added to the fees they charge. When there is a genuine stuff up, you are well and truly entitled to get your compensation. After all you have paid for it, not them.


exactly- it's not the medical professional you chase for damages, it's the insurance company. and they will fight tooth and nail not to pay

nebbian
WA, 6277 posts
2 Apr 2014 8:28AM
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Mark _australia said...
Hmmm I have found quite the opposite.

I found when I had surgery recently in the public system and not by choice (if it was planned, I'd have been using private for sure) that the staff were awesome. Really really good, caring committed people, despite the very obvious lack of resources.
Everything was done to the n-th degree and they really cared.



Having just returned home from hospital I have to agree with you, everything was really efficient. From diagnosis to surgery took 6 days, and along the way all the doctors and nurses were extremely caring and empathetic. I'm now not sure that private cover is worth it if the public system is so good.

Jared888
WA, 389 posts
2 Apr 2014 9:40AM
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stamp said..

Jared888 said..


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doctor wouldn't have leg to stand on in court no matter what the patient had signed.





Well that's what I am thinking, Might take it up with one of those lawyers that don't charge unless they win deal, would be happy to give them their high fee if they could get anything in regards to compensation.


be careful with no-win no-fee deals. if you lose it means you don't pay your solicitor's fee for legal advice. but you still have to pay costs for the other party, barrister's fees, filing fee, expert's report fees, medical report fees, administrative costs, clerical costs etc. make sure they are up front about what you will have to pay.

Wife's pretty happy, and I think this might open up some bad vibes so I've decide not to chase it up but try and forget about it and move on thanks for that info though there's always the fine print hey

Rus13b
NSW, 271 posts
3 Apr 2014 3:20PM
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I experienced the same 6 yr ago with a ac joint dislocation, short sharp answers, told
things that would be done & some wer'nt. told physio was a waste of time & in the end it
re dislocated & it was my falt cause i dont heal good. no health insurence.
22nd dec i broke my knee cap in half, surgury 8.30am 23 dec home 24th. dr had time for
all questions while in pre opp, everything i wonted was provided. app with surgen every 2
weeks for 10 wks after, physio 2 times a wk & i am ahead of were i should be. private health
insurence.
Either way u get fixed just depends if you wont the best or if the rest will do.

Mark _australia
WA, 23581 posts
3 Apr 2014 1:59PM
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nebbian said..
Mark _australia said...

Hmmm I have found quite the opposite.



I found when I had surgery recently in the public system and not by choice (if it was planned, I'd have been using private for sure) that the staff were awesome. Really really good, caring committed people, despite the very obvious lack of resources.

Everything was done to the n-th degree and they really cared.





Having just returned home from hospital I have to agree with you, everything was really efficient. From diagnosis to surgery took 6 days, and along the way all the doctors and nurses were extremely caring and empathetic. I'm now not sure that private cover is worth it if the public system is so good.




I wouldn't go that far, not for planned stuff like an injury repair.
When I had my shoulder done, SJOG Subiaco had room service. Got a pizza and a glass of wine delivered to my room. Not a wise decision with opiates, the wine really worked wonders lol

Little Jon
NSW, 2115 posts
3 Apr 2014 7:58PM
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nebbian said..


Mark _australia said...
Hmmm I have found quite the opposite.

I found when I had surgery recently in the public system and not by choice (if it was planned, I'd have been using private for sure) that the staff were awesome. Really really good, caring committed people, despite the very obvious lack of resources.
Everything was done to the n-th degree and they really cared.




Having just returned home from hospital I have to agree with you, everything was really efficient. From diagnosis to surgery took 6 days, and along the way all the doctors and nurses were extremely caring and empathetic. I'm now not sure that private cover is worth it if the public system is so good.


If you are in there for something very serious and complicated you'll be in the public hospital because the private sector does not have the capability for that stuff, its very expensive, requires scale and lots of support but its not profitable.

LittleOnion
VIC, 25 posts
4 Apr 2014 9:08AM
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On the points about no win/no pay lawyers, the other major issue is if u decide to stop the legal process before the finish (and a serious medical case could take 2-3yrs) the no win/no pay lawyer will charge all to you for not giving them opportunity to 'win'. My friend just saw one and had 2 brief meetings then decided to stop. Got billed $3500 as they claim they had already started investigating etc. Now pressure is on as she doesn't have money but knows if she wins they will claim majority of winnings, maybe not worth for all stress.
Care if not prepared to go all the way, you could also then get sued from other party for costs as there was no trial for them to defend after u initiated

stamp
QLD, 2797 posts
4 Apr 2014 10:37AM
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LittleOnion said..

On the points about no win/no pay lawyers, the other major issue is if u decide to stop the legal process before the finish (and a serious medical case could take 2-3yrs) the no win/no pay lawyer will charge all to you for not giving them opportunity to 'win'. My friend just saw one and had 2 brief meetings then decided to stop. Got billed $3500 as they claim they had already started investigating etc. Now pressure is on as she doesn't have money but knows if she wins they will claim majority of winnings, maybe not worth for all stress.
Care if not prepared to go all the way, you could also then get sued from other party for costs as there was no trial for them to defend after u initiated


tell your friend to take it to the legal services commissioner to get the bill assessed. it's free and the bill will be reduced or waived if found to be excessive or unreasonable. if the arrangement wasn't made clear before she agreed to it then there is a good chance she will not have to pay.

as to your other point about them claiming the majority- if it's a personal injury claim and she wins, the solicitor is not allowed to take more than half of what ends up in her pocket after the settlement

(this is for qld- i'm pretty sure it is very similar in vic)



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