The Road Rules for Cyclists

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Rupert
Rupert
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6 Jul 2014 12:45pm


Kamikuza
Kamikuza
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6 Jul 2014 1:31pm
Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...
T 11
T 11
TAS
811 posts
TAS, 811 posts
6 Jul 2014 7:49pm
Tour de France started last night, not sure the 3 million people who watched it in Yorkshire would agree Rupert
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
6 Jul 2014 7:59pm
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....
E T
E T
QLD
2286 posts
E T E T
QLD, 2286 posts
6 Jul 2014 8:05pm
fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....


What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.
gavnwend
gavnwend
WA
1374 posts
WA, 1374 posts
6 Jul 2014 6:27pm
Most road cyclists have got attitude. Not all .
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
6 Jul 2014 8:57pm
fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....


I thought y'all had that argument already and discovered that road tax doesn't actually pay for building roads... and it's a stupid argument anyway.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
6 Jul 2014 7:02pm
Kamikuza said...
Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...



Is that why they're all asians in the pic posted by Rupert?
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
6 Jul 2014 9:16pm
Mark _australia said...

Kamikuza said...
Whats funny is that someone went to all the effort to make that and point out how morally superior he thinks cyclists think they are.

Y'all'd hate Asia...




Is that why they're all asians in the pic posted by Rupert?


Nah they're all too fat and nobody rides 10-speeds here...

Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
NSW, 818 posts
7 Jul 2014 5:23am
Simple, give way to anyone in front of you!
That includes idiots who run across the road, bike riders who think they have a forcefield,
and Sunday drivers. 'Not including any Rolfs'

to expect the roads to be clear when you approach is !.....
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
7 Jul 2014 1:16pm
Yes, I'm a cyclopath. Check out my new electric bike shopping trolley






Feels like riding with a tailwind all the time. Solves the dripping with sweat problem at the supermarket. Gets recharged by solar PV.
Excuse me while I polish my cheap brassy halo
sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
7 Jul 2014 11:42am
so.......tech spec's?


pedal assist - or power on tap whenever you want?
brand?
cost?
range?
12 / 24 / 32volt?
type of batteries etc.

stephen
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
7 Jul 2014 2:26pm
250W. 3 levels of pedal assist and also a twist grip throttle.

I got the cheapest system locally available from someone on the Gold Coast called Dillenger. dillenger.com.au Cost $600 plus freight. Put it on a $450 Al flat bar road bike and about $75 for rack and 48l panniers. To put the kit on the bike took longer than it should have because the front forks were rubbing the motor a bit. A couple of washers fixed that, so 1/2 hr gets you fitted up

They claim that the range without a chain is 30km on the battery that I have (36V, 8Ah) Li ion. For $100 less you can go with lead acid at a 7kg weight penalty

The next system up is $700 and has a 48V battery (10Ah) and 5 levels of assistance. Since I have found that low assistance is good for cruising and mod gets you up hills without effort, the only point I can see is a longer range. And a bit more torque when you take off, but my legs do much better than the motor in that department

The only problem that I notice is that the motor seems to surge a bit after it has been under a bit of load going up hills. Plus the electrics around the bottom bracket don't look very waterproof.

So far I'm quite happy with it. I'm tempted to take up kiting and use the bike with a kiddy trailer to transport the gear.
gavnwend
gavnwend
WA
1374 posts
WA, 1374 posts
7 Jul 2014 4:48pm
what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
7 Jul 2014 5:01pm
gavnwend said...
what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.


Its in the 'Shooting the breeze' section, so it can be about anything.

Now, if it were in the 'windsurfing section'..
gavnwend
gavnwend
WA
1374 posts
WA, 1374 posts
7 Jul 2014 5:13pm
FormulaNova said...
gavnwend said...
what has deadly tredlies got to do with windsurfing.????? please explain.


Its in the 'Shooting the breeze' section, so it can be about anything.

Now, if it were in the 'windsurfing section'..


thanks l forgot! free for all thread on anything cheers formula nova.
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
921 posts
NSW, 921 posts
7 Jul 2014 7:44pm
E T said...

fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....



What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.


I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..
MrRubberbely
MrRubberbely
WA
64 posts
WA, 64 posts
7 Jul 2014 7:48pm
fingerbone said...

E T said...


fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....




What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.



I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..


Yeah, let's declare jihad on old people who talk to each other as well.
So much hating to do, and so little time...
Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
7 Jul 2014 11:39pm
fingerbone said...


I reckon cyclists slot into the same category as those old people that stand and talk in the middle of an isle at Coles..


Would that be the dessert isle?
Dezman
Dezman
NSW
818 posts
NSW, 818 posts
8 Jul 2014 2:00am
I once talked to a retired truck driver who stopped working after running over a pro cyclist.
Crushed him up under the rear wheels into a bag of bones, the reality hit home later!
when he found out how well liked the cyclist was as a father, husband and friend to many.

we've all locked up the brakes with close calls on the road, it's inattention that kills.
Kamikuza
Kamikuza
QLD
6493 posts
QLD, 6493 posts
8 Jul 2014 10:51am
It seems that too few people are aware of the consequences of their actions...
Prawnhead
Prawnhead
NSW
1317 posts
NSW, 1317 posts
8 Jul 2014 11:18am
Mr Milk said...
250W. 3 levels of pedal assist and also a twist grip throttle.

I got the cheapest system locally available from someone on the Gold Coast called Dillenger. dillenger.com.au Cost $600 plus freight. Put it on a $450 Al flat bar road bike and about $75 for rack and 48l panniers. To put the kit on the bike took longer than it should have because the front forks were rubbing the motor a bit. A couple of washers fixed that, so 1/2 hr gets you fitted up

They claim that the range without a chain is 30km on the battery that I have (36V, 8Ah) Li ion. For $100 less you can go with lead acid at a 7kg weight penalty

The next system up is $700 and has a 48V battery (10Ah) and 5 levels of assistance. Since I have found that low assistance is good for cruising and mod gets you up hills without effort, the only point I can see is a longer range. And a bit more torque when you take off, but my legs do much better than the motor in that department

The only problem that I notice is that the motor seems to surge a bit after it has been under a bit of load going up hills. Plus the electrics around the bottom bracket don't look very waterproof.

So far I'm quite happy with it. I'm tempted to take up kiting and use the bike with a kiddy trailer to transport the gear.


this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
8 Jul 2014 9:30am
Prawnhead said...

this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel


I wonder if they will integrate some sort of locking device or will they make it quick release so the next person can steal the wheel and put it on their bike.

Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
8 Jul 2014 7:39pm
said..

Prawnhead said...

this was an interesting project from kickstart ,not shipping yet but pretty ingenious
goes onto any bike.
http://www.flykly.com/smart-wheel



I wonder if they will integrate some sort of locking device or will they make it quick release so the next person can steal the wheel and put it on their bike.



That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
8 Jul 2014 6:33pm
Mr Milk said...


That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?


I suspect that they are getting the same energy density and just using the same batteries, but in the hub, so overall, less energy storage.

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.

Mr Milk
Mr Milk
NSW
3137 posts
NSW, 3137 posts
8 Jul 2014 9:07pm
said..

Mr Milk said...


That battery arrangement is really neat. Amazingly small compared to any other ebike I've seen. They must be getting 10 or 20 times the energy density of the other brands. Plus regenerative braking. How much did you say it costs?



I suspect that they are getting the same energy density and just using the same batteries, but in the hub, so overall, less energy storage.

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.



Good point. Adding mass to the rims would increase the angular momentum of the wheel, so it would keep rolling longer. I wonder why the other wheel makers don't do that too
SaltySinus
SaltySinus
VIC
960 posts
VIC, 960 posts
9 Jul 2014 1:15pm
said..

fingerbone said...
Simple....vehicle road tax paid = use road

NO ROAD TAX PAID...... use the BIKE track....



What an unthought out comment.

Bicycles were around before cars. bicycles do not pollute.
Bicycles do not use resources etc etc etc
By the way I don't ride a bicycle but I have a lot of respect for people who do.

Cyclists have More guts than me to battle with vehicular traffic in a daily basis. Those that aren't killed by thoughtless drivers deserve a medal.

Yep I am serious.

ET.


Agree. I have two cars, pay two lots of road tax, and choose to cycle each day, thus paying for road and not using it on a daily basis. I'd argue more than 50% of regular cyclists, at least here in Aus, pay road tax.

I also pay tax to my local council and buy goods at Westfield, so by this rationale, I can ride my cycle on the footpath and in my local shopping centre... right?
jusavina
jusavina
QLD
1505 posts
QLD, 1505 posts
9 Jul 2014 1:20pm
Funny how people talks about the lycra pants of the cyclists in packs but don't say any thing about the leather pants of the motorbikes in gangs though

sn
sn
WA
2775 posts
sn sn
WA, 2775 posts
9 Jul 2014 12:03pm
Mr Milk said...

I wonder if they can secrete batteries near the rim to disguise them, although I guess you would need to balance it pretty well.



Good point. Adding mass to the rims would increase the angular momentum of the wheel, so it would keep rolling longer. I wonder why the other wheel makers don't do that too


heavier wheel = more momentum = harder to stop.

although, modern batteries are no where as heavy as old school batteries, and bike brakes have improved heaps too.

there is probably an electro-bike nerd working on it in a shed someplace....


stephen
Chook2
Chook2
WA
1249 posts
WA, 1249 posts
9 Jul 2014 12:22pm
heavier wheel = more momentum = harder to stop.

Sounds like some "regenerative braking system" needed?
Test pilot 1
Test pilot 1
WA
1430 posts
WA, 1430 posts
9 Jul 2014 1:18pm
Heavier wheel more energy required to start moving
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