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GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 6:08pm
I hope someone can give me a bit of advice / reassurance. (Won't hold you to it)

I want to cantilever some Ezystrut to my workshop I Beam to pick up a static weight.

Like below, section view.








Using some of these clamps. (Rated at 407kg when used in pairs with a 2:1 safety factor)
www.ezystrut.com.au/products/beam-clamps/e2786/e2786h/

I just don't have the skills to work it out and could not find simple help with Google.

Any of you smart people that work with these calcs all day work it out for me?

Thanks.
Gav.
Craig66
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24 Jul 2014 6:13pm
just make it up and swing on it your self (guessing your 70kg +)

if you land on your a$$ it wont hold,

(Won't hold you to it)
SandS
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24 Jul 2014 6:21pm

SFA
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 6:43pm
Craig66 said..
just make it up and swing on it your self (guessing your 70kg +)

if you land on your a$$ it wont hold,

(Won't hold you to it)


Yeah, I could try that (I'm 90kg) but I was hoping for an educated response...

More of an opportunity to learn something.


SandS said..

SFA




or is it 9/10ths of SFA
GreenPat
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24 Jul 2014 6:50pm
I'm not a structural engineer but I think you'd solve this by assuming the far side of the I beam is a pivot, calculate the torque there and then calculate the effective loading at the clamp in tension.

Say it was another 100mm from there and you had 70kg * 0.53m = 37.1 kg.m of torque (a new unit I made up since we're going back out to kg at the end anyway).

Take that 100mm and calculate the force at the end of it from that torque: 37.1 / 0.1 = 371kg.

So you'd need an I-Beam at least 92mm wide to take that load at that distance (I think...)
Ian K
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24 Jul 2014 4:55pm
GavGav said..

Craig66 said..
just make it up and swing on it your self (guessing your 70kg +)

if you land on your a$$ it wont hold,

(Won't hold you to it)



Yeah, I could try that (I'm 90kg) but I was hoping for an educated response...

More of an opportunity to learn something.



SandS said..

SFA





or is it 9/10ths of SFA


((430 + width of Ibeam)/width of the Ibeam ) X 70kg
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 7:00pm
Zuke said..
Hi Gav, to be accurate: What is the width of the red "I" beam?

What is the length and weight of the beam being attached to it?




I Beam is : (Sorry, I did not draw it to scale)
630 UB 113
Overall Width:228.0 mm
Overall Height:607.0 mm
Flange Thickness:17.3 mm
Web Thickness:11.2 mm
Root Radius:14.0 mm

Cantilevered ezystrut E1001 combination channel is a total length of 825mm and is 82.6 high
www.ezystrut.com.au/products/channels-and-accessories/combination-channel/e1001-combination-channel/e1001/e1001h/

I'm not concerned about the I beam so much, just wondering about the clamps rating.

Thanks!
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 7:06pm
Ian K said..

GavGav said..


Craig66 said..
just make it up and swing on it your self (guessing your 70kg +)

if you land on your a$$ it wont hold,

(Won't hold you to it)




Yeah, I could try that (I'm 90kg) but I was hoping for an educated response...

More of an opportunity to learn something.




SandS said..

SFA






or is it 9/10ths of SFA



((430 + width of Ibeam)/width of the Ibeam ) X 70kg


((430+228)/228*70=202.01

So the clamps rated at 407kg 2:1 will have around a 4:1 safety.
Roughly...
Zuke
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24 Jul 2014 5:07pm
(430 + 228) / 228 x 70 = 202kg.

That's not taking into account the mass of it.

Edit: Just beat me!
LostDog
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24 Jul 2014 5:10pm
Zuke said..
(430 + 228) / 228 x 70 = 202kg.

That's not taking into account the mass of it.



I second this.
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 7:12pm
Zuke said..
(430 + 228) / 228 x 70 = 202kg.

That's not taking into account the mass of it.



Mass for the 825mm length of channel is 4.125kg
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 7:32pm
So, I think the answer is, it will be fine and have over a 2:1 safety factor.

Thanks for your help guys.

If anyone needs any advice on:
Sending SDI-HD or HDBaseT video long distances
Stage lighting DMX control
Audio DSP configuring.
CRESTRON control systems
+ more.

(No home theater )

I'm your man!

Gav.
Craig66
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24 Jul 2014 7:46pm
Hey Gav Gav,
thats what i said hours ago and im very edegmuamucated

And Ill bet you swing of it
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 7:54pm
Craig66 said..
And Ill bet you swing of it


You seem to know me well!

I just like the confidence of doing the maths..
Sort of like the confidence I get with these.



For those LBL moments...

snot
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24 Jul 2014 7:56pm
What are you hanging of it?
sn
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24 Jul 2014 6:05pm
GavGav said..
So the clamps rated at 407kg 2:1 will have around a 4:1 safety.
Roughly...


CLAMPS??

rather un-orstrayan there Gav'

Whats wrong with a couple of turns of fencing wire and twitching it up


stephen
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 8:13pm
snot said..
What are you hanging of it?


My junk, one is hanging a bit low compared to the other..
GreenPat
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24 Jul 2014 8:15pm
GavGav said..
So, I think the answer is, it will be fine and have over a 2:1 safety factor.

Thanks for your help guys.

If anyone needs any advice on:
Sending SDI-HD or HDBaseT video long distances
Stage lighting DMX control
Audio DSP configuring.
CRESTRON control systems
+ more.

(No home theater )

I'm your man!

Gav.



Any clues how to get a DVB-T tuner into a television with only an ATSC one? Or converting and ATSC signal to DVB-T? I've already put a set-top-box inline from the antenna and it's still sending an incompatible signal through the HDMI...
GavGav
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24 Jul 2014 8:20pm
GreenPat said..


GavGav said..
So, I think the answer is, it will be fine and have over a 2:1 safety factor.

Thanks for your help guys.

If anyone needs any advice on:
Sending SDI-HD or HDBaseT video long distances
Stage lighting DMX control
Audio DSP configuring.
CRESTRON control systems
+ more.

(No home theater )

I'm your man!

Gav.




Any clues how to get a DVB-T tuner into a television with only an ATSC one? Or converting and ATSC signal to DVB-T?



Just buy a new TV designed to work in OZ? Probably cheaper.
Sorry.. Almost Home theater..

No other inputs on the TV?
HDMI? Composite video? Component?

Edit: Just saw your edit..

Maybe the ATSC TV is only standard Def and the STB is outputting HD?
Sorry, im not a home theater guy..

GreenPat
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24 Jul 2014 9:08pm
Ha! Ok, too much home theater. New tv looks like the last remaining option. Still $$$ as the cheapest option, now that set-top-box failed as option.
FormulaNova
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24 Jul 2014 7:20pm
GreenPat said..
GavGav said..
So, I think the answer is, it will be fine and have over a 2:1 safety factor.

Thanks for your help guys.

If anyone needs any advice on:
Sending SDI-HD or HDBaseT video long distances
Stage lighting DMX control
Audio DSP configuring.
CRESTRON control systems
+ more.

(No home theater )

I'm your man!

Gav.



Any clues how to get a DVB-T tuner into a television with only an ATSC one? Or converting and ATSC signal to DVB-T? I've already put a set-top-box inline from the antenna and it's still sending an incompatible signal through the HDMI...


I'm surprised that a TV won't accept the signal from a DVB-T set top box. The ATSC bit is only the tuner, so it shouldn't matter I would think.

If you want to go another way, build a mythtv machine, use a DVB-T tuner in it, and connect it to the TV with VGA (or HDMI depending on your card). The only risk with this is that you end up recording everything and watching too much TV. Although, if you know what to buy, it can be a relatively cheap way to go, assuming you wanted a PVR in the first place.

Why did you bring an ATSC TV home? Did you know it was different?

Pitbull
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24 Jul 2014 8:39pm
Ich habe keine verdammte Ahnung, was du redest.
FormulaNova
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24 Jul 2014 8:48pm
Hey, that's a good way to get by the filters
Macroscien
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25 Jul 2014 10:36am
I had very similar question regarding force loading so I decided to use paid internet service JustAnswer.
So far I pair $22 as requested but didn't received a single answer yet for two weeks.

www.justanswer.com/engineering/8k4r4-looking-somebody-help-design-robotic-arm.html

It looks like SB free advice served GavGAv much better
kiterboy
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25 Jul 2014 8:41am
I for one am surprised that our resident structural genius, Bono, wasn't the first one to answer this for you.

Conspiracy?
GreenPat
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25 Jul 2014 11:32am
FormulaNova said..

If you want to go another way, build a mythtv machine, use a DVB-T tuner in it, and connect it to the TV with VGA (or HDMI depending on your card). The only risk with this is that you end up recording everything and watching too much TV. Although, if you know what to buy, it can be a relatively cheap way to go, assuming you wanted a PVR in the first place.


Looks interesting. A bit complex though, and I'd need a new computer to set it up on, so there go $$$ anyway. Greenwife wouldn't like the idea of me getting caught up in another hare-brained project either, so I think that's a negative.

FormulaNova said..

Why did you bring an ATSC TV home? Did you know it was different?



Because I'm an idiot. I knew the electricity was different and set up a transformer for it. I didn't know that digital tv had the same incompatibility with the rest of the world that their analog did.
FormulaNova
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25 Jul 2014 1:08pm
Yes, I think the USA, and I am guessing by your questions, Canada too, went their own way. I think everyone else went DVB-T. I guess the USA have to have everything just their way.

I only know the difference because of the reading I did on Mythtv.

If you did go Mythtv, there are HP DC7700 PCs that you can buy for around $100 on ebay that do the job nicely. Quiet, and enough grunt to play HD.
You would also need a DVB-T tuner for it, and you can use ASUS 3100 USB tuners or a Sony PlayTV if you want.

The annoying thing about Mythtv is you can spend ages working it out until you hit the right combination of things to use. For me, I have settled on an old distribution of Mythbuntu (10.04) that I make sure can't update itself (and break itself), and the thing just works.

I am surprised that the HDMI to set top box doesn't work. HDMI can pass data across the channel, but you wouldn't think a TV would object to viewing input from a set top box.

I know some TVs are generic enough where they had different boards for different regions, but I think even finding a guy that wants to repair a flat screen TV these days is a challenge, let alone getting them to swap boards.


For your TV, does it really need a transformer? A lot of things nowdays accept 100-240v just because its easier, and with switchmode powersupplies, its not terribly difficult to do.
GreenPat
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25 Jul 2014 4:32pm
I'm pretty sure it does, the little info thing on the back says "110V-120V", not "110V-240V" like the typical dual voltage appliance.
FormulaNova
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25 Jul 2014 3:16pm
GreenPat said..
I'm pretty sure it does, the little info thing on the back says "110V-120V", not "110V-240V" like the typical dual voltage appliance.



That sucks .. Americans, is there nothing they can change to be 'better'?



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