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Streaming DLNA issue

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Created by myusernam > 9 months ago, 17 May 2014
myusernam
QLD, 6155 posts
17 May 2014 4:10PM
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Just thought I would throw this up here as I am drawing a blank with the net.
I am trying to stream DLNA from my NAS to my xbox. Works when I use cable, but wireless (exact same setup, devices everything) can't even see NAS from xbox in list of devices. Hook cat 5 up and it's visible again.
Figured panda, the doctor or some other IT wizard could help me out.

d1
WA, 304 posts
17 May 2014 3:09PM
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Is your WiFi access point separate from the switch to which the NAS is connected? If so, configure it in bridge mode.

cRAZY Canuk
NSW, 2528 posts
17 May 2014 5:14PM
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360 or One?

myusernam
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17 May 2014 5:31PM
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d1 said...
Is your WiFi access point separate from the switch to which the NAS is connected? If so, configure it in bridge mode.


yeah no it's a wireless modem router. So nas, puter, everything hanging of the router in a star. Nas connected via wire to swithch part. puters wirelessly. When I use the cat 5 from the xbox i am simply replacing the transmission medium from wifi to cat5 and it works. Actually come to think of it, it see's my home computer which connects wirelessly to the same switch part, just not the NAS which is hardwired. Are you saying that's it? Is a simple netgear router. THere is no bridge function in the menu. what about static routes?


xbox 36o (not that it's a prblem with the box or nas as it works when using wire instead of wireless)

d1
WA, 304 posts
17 May 2014 4:15PM
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If it is same switch, do not worry about bridge mode. Look at the IP addresses allocated on WiFi vs Ethernet. Make sure they are on the same subnet. If not, play with dhcp settings, set WiFi to allocate above .100, Ethernet to allocate below that.

Edit: looks like a known issue http://forums.prosecure.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=5647

FormulaNova
WA, 15093 posts
17 May 2014 5:48PM
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I think DLNA broadcasts, but wifi modems don't forward these broadcasts.

Toph
WA, 1876 posts
17 May 2014 7:07PM
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To stream wirelessly from my NAS to an Apple TV, without having breaks I had to get a modem capable of faster whatever it is that modems do. Streaming was only a problem for bigger files (2gbyte or more). I don't know if this would be the same for xBox.

saltiest1
NSW, 2566 posts
17 May 2014 10:47PM
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what the hell is all this about??
gobbildy gook to me

FlySurfer
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17 May 2014 10:56PM
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myusernam said...
[br]Just thought I would throw this up here as I am drawing a blank with the net.
I am trying to stream DLNA from my NAS to my xbox. Works when I use cable, but wireless (exact same setup, devices everything) can't even see NAS from xbox in list of devices. Hook cat 5 up and it's visible again.
Figured panda, the doctor or some other IT wizard could help me out.



Is your QoS setup?
Have you configured WPS Service?
What state is WPS?
Have you enable WMM?
Is wireless Multicast forwarding enabled? What rate is it set at?
WDS service enabled?
Is the DLNA server broadcasting over an Australian multicast channel?
Are you using 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz channels?

Well if you have NFI copy the stupid movie on to a USB stick and plug it in the TV...

sn
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17 May 2014 9:49PM
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FlySurfer said...

... QoS setup?.... configured WPS Service?.....What state is WPS?...enable WMM?....wireless Multicast forwarding enabled? What rate is it set at?....WDS service enabled?....DLNA server broadcasting over an Australian multicast channel?....2.4Ghz or 5Ghz channels?

Well if you have NFI copy the stupid movie on to a USB stick and plug it in the TV...




the gobbledygook just got worserer

only bit that made sense to me was TV and USB, but even I could stuff that up.

[the NFI label fits me pretty good though]


stephen

Mark _australia
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17 May 2014 10:01PM
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saltiest1 said...
what the hell is all this about??
gobbildy gook to me



my thoughts exactly.
and if it works with the cable, use the damn cable.
done.

myusernam
QLD, 6155 posts
18 May 2014 8:18AM
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d1 said...
If it is same switch, do not worry about bridge mode. Look at the IP addresses allocated on WiFi vs Ethernet. Make sure they are on the same subnet. If not, play with dhcp settings, set WiFi to allocate above .100, Ethernet to allocate below that.

Edit: looks like a known issue http://forums.prosecure.netgear.com/showthread.php?t=5647


yeah all the same subnet. I can't ping from the nas, and the xbox has a 'connection test' which is probably at least a ping but I'm not using it.

myusernam
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18 May 2014 8:32AM
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Toph said...
To stream wirelessly from my NAS to an Apple TV, without having breaks I had to get a modem capable of faster whatever it is that modems do. Streaming was only a problem for bigger files (2gbyte or more). I don't know if this would be the same for xBox.


yeah, it's only a g wifi, so I daresay it might not stream high quality video well. But I want to be able to access the NAS as a general storage area, and not much of my video is super HD. The point is, it can't even make the connection. I can worry about bandwidth later. Honestly the amount of time I have spent fiddling with it I could have run some cat5 through the ceiling and eliminate any bandwidth issues.

I thought D1 had it there for a while but there is no VLAN that I can see. The NAS doesn't have provision to ping from it, and neither really does the xbox (some sort of connection test). But if there was a vlan I woudlnt be able to access the nas from the wireless connection on the computer.

Flysurfer seems to have a DLNA set up and know some of the bandwidth anacronyms, but pretty sure I need a connection first before I worry about any sort of data transfer.


d1
WA, 304 posts
18 May 2014 8:00AM
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Can you post an example of IP address allocated over wif as well as one allocated over ethernet? Important to also include the netmask, which should be something like 255.255.255.0.

If you decide to wire, suggest you go straight to cat.6, using clipsal actassi cable with clipsal wallplates bought from a trade shop. Will also require att110 tool, but is worth it. I went through this exercise recently, cat.6 24 points, gigabit switch, 19" rack with patch panel, 1u nas, etc, was worth it, because wireless was too unstable for HD media streaming. Wish I did it earlier...

Battle
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18 May 2014 8:06AM
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FlySurfer said...
myusernam said...
[br]Just thought I would throw this up here as I am drawing a blank with the net.
I am trying to stream DLNA from my NAS to my xbox. Works when I use cable, but wireless (exact same setup, devices everything) can't even see NAS from xbox in list of devices. Hook cat 5 up and it's visible again.
Figured panda, the doctor or some other IT wizard could help me out.



Is your QoS setup?
Have you configured WPS Service?
What state is WPS?
Have you enable WMM?
Is wireless Multicast forwarding enabled? What rate is it set at?
WDS service enabled?
Is the DLNA server broadcasting over an Australian multicast channel?
Are you using 2.4Ghz or 5Ghz channels?

Well if you have NFI copy the stupid movie on to a USB stick and plug it in the TV...


gold!

Toph
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18 May 2014 10:37AM
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Toph said...
To stream wirelessly from my NAS to an Apple TV, without having breaks I had to get a modem capable of faster whatever it is that modems do. Streaming was only a problem for bigger files (2gbyte or more). I don't know if this would be the same for xBox.


yeah, it's only a g wifi, so I daresay it might not stream high quality video well. But I want to be able to access the NAS as a general storage area, and not much of my video is super HD. The point is, it can't even make the connection. I can worry about bandwidth later. Honestly the amount of time I have spent fiddling with it I could have run some cat5 through the ceiling and eliminate any bandwidth issues.

I thought D1 had it there for a while but there is no VLAN that I can see. The NAS doesn't have provision to ping from it, and neither really does the xbox (some sort of connection test). But if there was a vlan I woudlnt be able to access the nas from the wireless connection on the computer.

Flysurfer seems to have a DLNA set up and know some of the bandwidth anacronyms, but pretty sure I need a connection first before I worry about any sort of data transfer.





I'm far from tech savvy, but just thinking of the issues I had setting mine up.

When you run RAIDar, what is showing up? Also remember that everytime your readyNAS is turned off, or there is a blackout or something, it will get a new IP address. This probably isnt your problem, but it is needed for logging on to your NAS.

FlySurfer
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18 May 2014 1:02PM
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myusernam said...
Flysurfer seems to have a DLNA set up and know some of the bandwidth anacronyms, but pretty sure I need a connection first before I worry about any sort of data transfer.


I do

But in all honesty I've grown out of streaming and NAS... I go for the super high quality 5-20GB stuff; so I just keep everything on my HTPC... nothings makes me more irate than freezing while watching a movie.
I've tried Ethernet over Powerline 500, which is on par with 5Ghz AC wifi... but they're both much worse than local storage.

I've got a share setup on my wifi router (Netgear R7000) for Android Apps, Music and miscellaneous files.
The R7000 has DLNA and iTunes streaming, and all you really need to do is check a box and it all works.

From your router check IP allocation for each device.
Is UPnP enabled?
Can your xbox see the internet?
Can you access your NAS from another device?

myusernam
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18 May 2014 1:41PM
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FlySurfer said...
myusernam said...
Flysurfer seems to have a DLNA set up and know some of the bandwidth anacronyms, but pretty sure I need a connection first before I worry about any sort of data transfer.


I do

But in all honesty I've grown out of streaming and NAS... I go for the super high quality 5-20GB stuff; so I just keep everything on my HTPC... nothings makes me more irate than freezing while watching a movie.
I've tried Ethernet over Powerline 500, which is on par with 5Ghz AC wifi... but they're both much worse than local storage.

I've got a share setup on my wifi router (Netgear R7000) for Android Apps, Music and miscellaneous files.
The R7000 has DLNA and iTunes streaming, and all you really need to do is check a box and it all works.

From your router check IP allocation for each device.
Is UPnP enabled?
Can your xbox see the internet?
Can you access your NAS from another device?






thanks fly, yep to everything. Just going to run cable. I'm over it. as you said it will work better anyway. Thought about upgrading router but I need to get in the roof anyway to put a power point or two in, move my router from our bedroom, so I figure I'll just go nuts and throw some cat 5 around. Got a cisco switch kicking around and a new printer so I might go the full nerd. thanks all

evlPanda
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18 May 2014 8:35PM
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Agreed with you and flysurfer.

I was going to suggest getflix.com.au combined with Netflix but you're talking about home movies I guess. That's a different ball game.

By the way now I have both Netflix and Spotiify the world is my oyster. It's an amazing time to be alive.

Just connect the damn NAS direct. Man, the amount of effort people put into their NAS setup ...just stream it. (Home vids like this situation excepted).

Interesting to see your comments on AC flysurfer. Was hoping it might be better. I was/still will go down the fruit company Time Capsule route. **** just works *together*. DLNA drove me to tears when I was on windows. But I'm a sensitive soul when I've lined a movie up and I'm half tanked and it keeps buffering at the best bits.

Let this be a lesson for all: hard wired beats over the air every time. Good bye NBN.

Edit: sorry. Bit tanked now. Chimay. To be high level sounds like your NAS doesn't have anything running that will talk with your XBox. Like what you'd have running on the PC. What software is running on the NAS that will talk like that? If anything.


FormulaNova
WA, 15093 posts
18 May 2014 8:30PM
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myusernam said...

thanks fly, yep to everything. Just going to run cable. I'm over it. as you said it will work better anyway. Thought about upgrading router but I need to get in the roof anyway to put a power point or two in, move my router from our bedroom, so I figure I'll just go nuts and throw some cat 5 around. Got a cisco switch kicking around and a new printer so I might go the full nerd. thanks all


A Cisco switch? If its a normal Cisco switch it will make a heck of a lot of noise. You may as well buy a cheap TPLINK or something. They are all the same for what you are doing and the TPLINK will be a lot lot quieter.

myusernam
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19 May 2014 11:05AM
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myusernam said...

thanks fly, yep to everything. Just going to run cable. I'm over it. as you said it will work better anyway. Thought about upgrading router but I need to get in the roof anyway to put a power point or two in, move my router from our bedroom, so I figure I'll just go nuts and throw some cat 5 around. Got a cisco switch kicking around and a new printer so I might go the full nerd. thanks all


A Cisco switch? If its a normal Cisco switch it will make a heck of a lot of noise. You may as well buy a cheap TPLINK or something. They are all the same for what you are doing and the TPLINK will be a lot lot quieter.




2900 series.
or might just use my netgear router. talking wire though. cant envisage any issues

myusernam
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19 May 2014 11:10AM
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evlPanda said...
Agreed with you and flysurfer.

I was going to suggest getflix.com.au combined with Netflix but you're talking about home movies I guess. That's a different ball game.

By the way now I have both Netflix and Spotiify the world is my oyster. It's an amazing time to be alive.

Just connect the damn NAS direct. Man, the amount of effort people put into their NAS setup ...just stream it. (Home vids like this situation excepted).

Interesting to see your comments on AC flysurfer. Was hoping it might be better. I was/still will go down the fruit company Time Capsule route. **** just works *together*. DLNA drove me to tears when I was on windows. But I'm a sensitive soul when I've lined a movie up and I'm half tanked and it keeps buffering at the best bits.

Let this be a lesson for all: hard wired beats over the air every time. Good bye NBN.

Edit: sorry. Bit tanked now. Chimay. To be high level sounds like your NAS doesn't have anything running that will talk with your XBox. Like what you'd have running on the PC. What software is running on the NAS that will talk like that? If anything.





it's a readynas pro so it has all the fruit - standard DLNA server but also downloaded another streaming service (forgot the name). but it woks over perfectly over ethernet so it is simply a connectivity issue (can't even see the nas to choose it) when wireless. some sort of router issue that cant be overcome with a setting (tried everything.) going to wire it up, while i'm up there im going to jerk cat 5 to every node (NAS, desktop, xbox and to router) as well as move router into another room. then can just continue to use crappy router and not pay for expensive hardware. Wireless can remain for work laptop, printer and mobiles. netflix and spotify? sounds like you have to [ay for those. I download torrents straight to nas. I dont loke to pay for anything. Also megashare ok for kids movies.


hey can you get free xbox live codes from the net?

FormulaNova
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19 May 2014 10:39AM
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myusernam said...
FormulaNova said...
A Cisco switch? If its a normal Cisco switch it will make a heck of a lot of noise. You may as well buy a cheap TPLINK or something. They are all the same for what you are doing and the TPLINK will be a lot lot quieter.



2900 series.
or might just use my netgear router. talking wire though. cant envisage any issues


I tried using these at home at one stage and had to rewire the fans as these things are meant for datacentres and use small high speed fans. Some of them scream, which might only be noticable when its quiet, but some are really bad. I have had jobs where people have complained about having them installed in work spaces, so we have had to mount them in special racks that are able to muffle the noise.

The Netgear will be so much better and there's no need to configure anything special. Another thing to keep in mind is sometimes its easier to daisy chain a switch off another one instead of running a bunch of cables from a central switch. I have one behind my tv, because everything uses ethernet, and its not going to affect performance at all.


evlPanda
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19 May 2014 11:20PM
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. netflix and spotify? sounds like you have to [ay for those. I download torrents straight to nas. I dont loke to pay for anything.


$2.50/week each. About the same as a Mars bar. Seriously, check them out. Everyone I've put onto thems' reactions have been "holy ****ing **** how good is this?!" My reaction too.



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