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Mobydisc
Mobydisc
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20 Mar 2013 10:07pm
How does it work? Of all my Facebook friends, the one who uses Facebook and probably has said likes Seabreeze, always appear on the front page of Seabreeze for me.

I don't like Seabreeze from Facebook and don't really use Facebook that much as its basically evil.
airjunkie
airjunkie
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
20 Mar 2013 7:22pm
not sure how it works but agree with the evil comment

in my opinion facebook is just digital voluntary tourettes syndrome. . .
. . . the analog version = writing your opinion on the back window of your car
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
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20 Mar 2013 7:22pm
What are you worried about. Google seems to remember a lot of my search terms, and comes up with "interesting" suggestions on their ads

I think I might have to do some 'neutral' searches on Google, just to clean up these suggestions

Poida
Poida
WA
1922 posts
WA, 1922 posts
20 Mar 2013 7:47pm
tin foil hat time
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
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20 Mar 2013 8:17pm
They can't "remember" anything if you clean your computer properly, often.

As to Facebook, seriously does anyone use that anymore? Since all the security issues and the renaissance in having real friends rather than 600 fakes ones to boost your ego?

stamp
stamp
QLD
2797 posts
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20 Mar 2013 10:39pm
i downloaded a tracking program called collusion. for each site you visit it shows what other sites are notified of your visit, and maps them all out. you can block or unblock whichever sites you want to and keep track of who has tabs on your habits. it's surprising how many sites are linked to seabreeze.

www.theverge.com/2012/4/13/2945920/collusion-for-chrome-disconnect-me-site-cookie-tracking
Sailhack
Sailhack
VIC
5000 posts
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21 Mar 2013 8:49am
Slightly off-topic, but last week a mate asked where to buy some WR Cedar from - as it's been a few years since I bought some, I couldn't think of the company name off the top of my head so I googled the timber species & scrolled down until a familiar timber wholesaler's name came up (Melbourne-based) that I used to buy from - I opened their site and sms'd the mate the details.

A couple of days later I receive my first ever email from them of their 'monthly specials'. Now I might be a bit naive, but how did they get my email address (which was my old work email, but kept it for personal emails) from simply browsing their site for a few seconds as I didn't fill out any forms?

As for Facebook -
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
21 Mar 2013 6:36am
Sailhack said...

A couple of days later I receive my first ever email from them of their 'monthly specials'. Now I might be a bit naive, but how did they get my email address (which was my old work email, but kept it for personal emails) from simply browsing their site for a few seconds as I didn't fill out any forms?



Your mate gave them your email address, or they already had it from before and only added you to the email list when your mate mentioned your name.

doggie
doggie
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15849 posts
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21 Mar 2013 2:04pm
Mark _australia said...
They can't "remember" anything if you clean your computer properly, often.

As to Facebook, seriously does anyone use that anymore? Since all the security issues and the renaissance in having real friends rather than 600 fakes ones to boost your ego?




I do, I have a friend in NZ that I chat to all the time

I did try and find you Mark but the search engine didnt have an account for an old bloke with a finger up his nose and out his eye
Sailhack
Sailhack
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22 Mar 2013 9:42am
FormulaNova said...
Sailhack said...

A couple of days later I receive my first ever email from them of their 'monthly specials'. Now I might be a bit naive, but how did they get my email address (which was my old work email, but kept it for personal emails) from simply browsing their site for a few seconds as I didn't fill out any forms?



Your mate gave them your email address, or they already had it from before and only added you to the email list when your mate mentioned your name.




Thanks Formula - but mate doesn't know my personal email address and he's not much of a talker, so would've just called & ordered the timber. If they wanted to find my email address, they would have to go online and look for old redundant trade services guide - I doubt that this would be the case as I hadn't had an account with them for over 6 years & back then, all correspondence was via mail - I only used email for clients.
FlySurfer
FlySurfer
NSW
4460 posts
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22 Mar 2013 5:05pm
Mark _australia said...
They can't "remember" anything if you clean your computer properly, often.

And change your IP and mac address, change ISP... never login in to anything.
FormulaNova
FormulaNova
WA
15100 posts
WA, 15100 posts
22 Mar 2013 6:40pm
FlySurfer said...
Mark _australia said...
They can't "remember" anything if you clean your computer properly, often.

And change your IP and mac address, change ISP... never login in to anything.




You have a static IP? I have to pay extra for that. Normally they give you a dynamic one, and/or run you through NAT.

MAC address? How are 'they' getting that? MAC addresses are only locally significant, so they won't be seeing that on the packets.

Changing your ISP? If you don't have a static IP address, and don't login to things, how are they going to know who you are?

Do you have software that keeps an eye on cookies that are used?

mathew
mathew
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2167 posts
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22 Mar 2013 11:08pm
FormulaNova said...
FlySurfer said...
Mark _australia said...
They can't "remember" anything if you clean your computer properly, often.

And change your IP and mac address, change ISP... never login in to anything.




You have a static IP? I have to pay extra for that. Normally they give you a dynamic one, and/or run you through NAT.

MAC address? How are 'they' getting that? MAC addresses are only locally significant, so they won't be seeing that on the packets.

Changing your ISP? If you don't have a static IP address, and don't login to things, how are they going to know who you are?

Do you have software that keeps an eye on cookies that are used?




None of the above... they can target your device... see here:

http://www-mobile.ecs.soton.ac.uk/home/conference/Globecom_12/papers/p831-lanze.pdf

Disclaimer: I used to work in Web Analytics and used to dream up measurment techniques.
Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
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22 Mar 2013 11:04pm
^^^ Mathew that lost me in the first paragraph as I dont use public AP's.

I don't feel the need to review the 'status' or random thoughts of tens or hundreds of e-frens from my mobile at various locations.
It would appear that doing stuff old school is safer, is that what they're on about?

Goind back to IP's most of the time the IP is the same if you don't disconnect but I can manually change my IP from 10.0.X.1 all the way thru to 99 for the last number every time I connect - if I wish. Yes?
paulford
paulford
WA
312 posts
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22 Mar 2013 11:22pm
I have used Facebook since 2007, i like it. I don't play the games, i don't click the links. Never had any drama with it, or anybody.
airjunkie
airjunkie
WA
142 posts
WA, 142 posts
23 Mar 2013 12:30am

i hate when your having a conversation with someone and they need to keep checking their facebook status . .
think its called called - Obsessive-Compulsive Facebook Disorder - or something along those lines

i just call it f**k'n rude

while im bitching about it why do people feel the need for updating everyone on the lame crap like - i just made jam on toast . . . this kind of thing stopped being an achievement while your age was still in single digits
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
29 Apr 2013 2:25pm
Mark _australia said...
^^^ Mathew that lost me in the first paragraph as I dont use public AP's.

I don't feel the need to review the 'status' or random thoughts of tens or hundreds of e-frens from my mobile at various locations.
It would appear that doing stuff old school is safer, is that what they're on about?

Goind back to IP's most of the time the IP is the same if you don't disconnect but I can manually change my IP from 10.0.X.1 all the way thru to 99 for the last number every time I connect - if I wish. Yes?



Nothing to do with public anything... well not in the simple-networking sense.

It basically says, "your device has a unique fingerprint, defined by the crystal oscillator which built in to the network-hardware"... so changing IP's, connecting from different locations, etc still allows you to be tracked.... because the signature it is hardware-specific.

To stop being tracked, you would need to use a completely separate device.

Of course, if you login to say facebook using both devices, then it becomes possible to bind those two fingerprints together, and with your real name.
evlPanda
evlPanda
NSW
9207 posts
NSW, 9207 posts
29 Apr 2013 2:43pm
Mark _australia said...
As to Facebook, seriously does anyone use that anymore? Since all the security issues and the renaissance in having real friends rather than 600 fakes ones to boost your ego?


So says the guy with 10,000+ seabreeze posts and enough green thumbs to start a nursery.
Mobydisc
Mobydisc
NSW
9029 posts
NSW, 9029 posts
29 Apr 2013 4:03pm
mathew said...
Mark _australia said...
^^^ Mathew that lost me in the first paragraph as I dont use public AP's.

I don't feel the need to review the 'status' or random thoughts of tens or hundreds of e-frens from my mobile at various locations.
It would appear that doing stuff old school is safer, is that what they're on about?

Goind back to IP's most of the time the IP is the same if you don't disconnect but I can manually change my IP from 10.0.X.1 all the way thru to 99 for the last number every time I connect - if I wish. Yes?



Nothing to do with public anything... well not in the simple-networking sense.

It basically says, "your device has a unique fingerprint, defined by the crystal oscillator which built in to the network-hardware"... so changing IP's, connecting from different locations, etc still allows you to be tracked.... because the signature it is hardware-specific.

To stop being tracked, you would need to use a completely separate device.

Of course, if you login to say facebook using both devices, then it becomes possible to bind those two fingerprints together, and with your real name.



Or is it to do with cookies on the computer. I used to be fairly concious about this and removed cookies quite often from my computer.
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
29 Apr 2013 5:02pm
mathew said...
Disclaimer: I used to work in Web Analytics and used to dream up measurment techniques.


Yep - if you have anything in common it can be used for matching:

- ip address
- ISP
- mac address
- computer time zone setup
- screen size
- system fonts installed
- browser fingerprint (browser name, version, OS, installed plugins etc)
- cookies (om nom nom)
- etc...

Check out panopticlick.eff.org/ to see how unique you are, remeber more unique is worse not better.

As an aside, mine came back as "Your browser fingerprint appears to be unique among the 2,859,181 tested so far."
GalahOnTheBay
GalahOnTheBay
NSW
4188 posts
NSW, 4188 posts
29 Apr 2013 5:05pm
airjunkie said...
while im bitching about it why do people feel the need for updating everyone on the lame crap like - i just made jam on toast . . . this kind of thing stopped being an achievement while your age was still in single digits


lol - here's my achievement for the day

Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
29 Apr 2013 3:09pm
evlPanda said...
Mark _australia said...
As to Facebook, seriously does anyone use that anymore? Since all the security issues and the renaissance in having real friends rather than 600 fakes ones to boost your ego?


So says the guy with 10,000+ seabreeze posts and enough green thumbs to start a nursery.


I think a smidge over 3 posts a day compares pretty favourably with most people's Facebook use. I'd love to see people be *honest* about how often they check it....
sameh
sameh
WA
310 posts
WA, 310 posts
29 Apr 2013 3:09pm
Mobydisc said...
mathew said...
Mark _australia said...
^^^ Mathew that lost me in the first paragraph as I dont use public AP's.

I don't feel the need to review the 'status' or random thoughts of tens or hundreds of e-frens from my mobile at various locations.
It would appear that doing stuff old school is safer, is that what they're on about?

Goind back to IP's most of the time the IP is the same if you don't disconnect but I can manually change my IP from 10.0.X.1 all the way thru to 99 for the last number every time I connect - if I wish. Yes?



Nothing to do with public anything... well not in the simple-networking sense.

It basically says, "your device has a unique fingerprint, defined by the crystal oscillator which built in to the network-hardware"... so changing IP's, connecting from different locations, etc still allows you to be tracked.... because the signature it is hardware-specific.

To stop being tracked, you would need to use a completely separate device.

Of course, if you login to say facebook using both devices, then it becomes possible to bind those two fingerprints together, and with your real name.



Or is it to do with cookies on the computer. I used to be fairly concious about this and removed cookies quite often from my computer.



cookies shmookies, pulled the damn thing apart and couldn't find anything remotely edible, let alone full of biscuity goodness.




Mark _australia
Mark _australia
WA
23648 posts
WA, 23648 posts
29 Apr 2013 3:13pm
^^^ bloody hell, just how many speakers did you have plugged into that thingo?
fingerbone
fingerbone
NSW
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29 Apr 2013 5:35pm
FormulaNova said...
What are you worried about. Google seems to remember a lot of my search terms, and comes up with "interesting" suggestions on their ads

I think I might have to do some 'neutral' searches on Google, just to clean up these suggestions




Hahahahaha I hear you on that one....seems porn flashes up now by me just turning the dam thin on...
mathew
mathew
QLD
2167 posts
QLD, 2167 posts
30 Apr 2013 12:15am
Mobydisc said...
Or is it to do with cookies on the computer. I used to be fairly concious about this and removed cookies quite often from my computer.


Cookies are an extremely basic tool for uniqueness tracking... this really doesn't help all that much... This is a better description: www.zdnet.com/article/tracking-pcs-anywhere-on-the-net/
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