Since no one else has mentioned it, and since on a scale of importance it's possibly right up there with the triple J top 100, I thought I might as well give it a mention.
Have a look at this->

hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/01/24/1550205/Italian-Scientists-Demonstrate-Cold-Fusion

Yes I know it's probably a fraud. If I was convinced it wasn't I would rate it slightly higher than the JJJ top 100, or at least equal to.

If it's not a fraud it would be the beginning of something really big.

In case you can't be bothered looking it up, it sez;-

"Italian scientists Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi of the University of Bologna announced that they developed a cold fusion device capable of producing 12,400 W of heat power with an input of just 400 W....when the atomic nuclei of nickel and hydrogen are fused in their reactor, the reaction produces copper and a large amount of energy. The reactor uses less than 1 gram of hydrogen and starts with about 1,000 W of electricity, which is reduced to 400 W after a few minutes. Every minute, the reaction can convert 292 grams of 20C water into dry steam at about 101C. Since raising the temperature of water by 80C and converting it to steam requires about 12,400 W of power, the experiment provides a power gain of 12,400/400 = 31."

If you chase up a few links there is more on this, (including a You Choob, so it must be true )

The good news is, they also say they will be manufacturing these within a few months so at least we will know fairly soon if it's run on horse feathers and snake oil.

Another link or two if you're interested. Some are slow to load cos they come from italy and have to be authorised by the pope. (That's not true. I just made that bit up. )
blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/01/19/rossi-and-focardi-lenr-device-probably-real-with-credit-to-piantelli/

www.nextbigfuture.com/

For those who only believe if it's on you choob,;


Happy new year?
Probably not but let's wait and see.

Is it the holy grail?

Or are they just naughty boys?

i so hope this is true.........

save the planet sep 1

Cisco, yeah right. A left wing conservation hit squad. Dr. Bob Brown and his cohort of greenpeace killers are on there way to Bologna as we speak. And Cisco pleeeeeeeezzze don't say "greenies" it's soooo 1980's

* you are talking about the wrong people . It is the NIF witch also developed the A BOMB

Have a read of the book


lasers.llnl.gov/multimedia/interactive/book1/index.htm

Limitless energy ..

https://lasers.llnl.gov/multimedia/photo_gallery/building_nif/?category=building_nif
book to read !

lasers.llnl.gov/about/

wepons aswell

In the calculation of energy obtained in boiling 'dry steam' at 101 deg C did they subtract the energy input from the Powerbands they were wearing ?

cisco said...

They are upsetting the "Apple Carts" of the producers of coal, natural gas, oil, solar and wind energy as well as the "Global Warmists and Climate Changeists", Greenpeace, greenies in general and multiple governments and their associated clandestine agencies.

Who exactly isn't included in this list ?

Papaya growing hippies perhaps ? anyone else ?

Carantoc said...

What happened to those dudes about 10 years ago who managed nuclear fusion (or maybe it was fission) in a test tube ?

Given I still have to put petrol into my car I assume either they made a small error in their calculations of what happened or they were popped by a NWO hitman.

You're probably referring to Martin Fleischmann & Stanley Pons back in 1988, now 22 years ago. (doesn't time just fly when you're having fun?)

Here's a link to wiki cleverdick re: them.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

Have a read if you're interested. Theres quite a bit of detail here and it's updated from time to time when new things come up on the subject.

Apparently they initially didn't refer to it as cold fusion but they didn't dispute the description when the press reported it as such. That was a serious mistake because it put them right in the firing line to answer a lot of questions for which they didn't really have answers.
Had they just stuck to the important point, that they had discovered a process which generated more power than it consumed and the process did not appear to consume any fuel in the normal manner, then they possibly would have fared much better.
As it was, as soon as the "cold fusion" term was used, they were forced to tackle head on a lot of long held beliefs which were widely held by the scientific community, that belief being that nuclear fusion is not possible at normal temperatures and pressures. After all, the sun is powered by nuclear fusion and that's definitely not room temperature.
That was a major distraction from the most significant point and an un-winable exercise given that they didn't really have a provable explanation for what was happening.
The important thing should have been, if the device sometimes works and sometimes doesn't, take it that the times when it does work proves it is possible and therefore get to work to make it happen always and more efficiently.
As it was, they were lampooned out of that particular field of science and cold fusion became a byword for crackpot science.
Because of this, the time, money and effort which should have been spent on the matter has not been forthcoming.

I have seen a few interviews with Martin Fleischmann over the last 10 years or so and it is apparent that he still has an unshakeable belief that the 'better than unity' power outputs which their experiments showed were real and not just due to experimental errors.

I hope this time around the whole exercise doesn't again end in an all out argument over whether cold fusion is possible or not. The argument is almost totally irrelevant.
What is relevant, and the only point which is relevant is this; Is this a process whereby the energy output of the device greatly exceeds the energy input without consuming large amounts of some form of conventional fuel.
If the answer is yes then it doesn't matter if it works on witchcraft. We need it and we need it now.

pweedas said...
What is relevant, and the only point which is relevant is this; Is this a process whereby the energy output of the device greatly exceeds the energy input without consuming large amounts of some form of conventional fuel.
If the answer is yes then it doesn't matter if it works on witchcraft. We need it and we need it now.

Right on pweedas.

Carantoc said...

What happened to those dudes about 10 years ago who managed nuclear fusion (or maybe it was fission) in a test tube ?

Given I still have to put petrol into my car I assume either they made a small error in their calculations of what happened or they were popped by a NWO hitman.

Actually the experiment couldn't be replicated by anyone (and people did try), leading to the big possibility that they made an error. The energy difference between the energy going in and that coming out was very small.

Then, if memory serves, someone pointed out that the radiation coming off it should have killed them if it had worked.

seafever17 said...

I can't believe i have read this crap all the way to here.

Yes but there's another thread running on the JJJ Hottest 100, just for you.

Geez Pweed I hope it is true.

Seems a bit too good tho. Like that Nigerian banking that I fell for twice.

As long as hippy chicks n hairy blokes stay outta the equation it may well surpass the H100 in 21st century importance.. or close to it.

Can't quite believe folks that can't keep Alfa Romeos from rusting before they leave showrooms can pull of cold fusion tho. Maybe it's uber-gelato tecknolology stuff?

Still going.

I guess we hope that it's true - I can't see alternative energy enabling another 2 billion people to lead middle class lives - even if a billion Westerners conserve energy as we are being told we should be doing...

However I think we have to be skeptical - to quote from the blog Corante -

"Two Italian researchers (Andrea Rossi and Sergio Focardi) say that they have demonstrated anomalous nuclear reactions with nickel and copper, on a scale sufficient to produce electrical power. (To be technical, it's probably not fusion per se, but is it anything, and if so, what)?

I hope that they're right, naturally. But there are a lot of things to wonder about. They chose to announce this at a press conference, and to "publish" in a journal that actually doesn't exist. Rossi himself seems to have had some criminal problems with the Italian authorities in the past. All this does not inspire confidence (says the blogger in a scrupulously neutral tone of voice). And this whole area is absolutely saturated with cranks, sharp operators, self-deceivers, paranoids, and loose cannons of every description. I continue to think that these phenomena (if there are phenomena there at all) are worthy of study, but man, the signal-to-noise ratio in this field just could not be worse. The legitimate scientists working in it (and there are some) have my sympathy.

For what it's worth, this latest work seems to follow up on some earlier reports from another Italian physicist, Francesco Piantelli. That link, a blog written by a skeptical enthusiast, will probably tell you more than you want to know about the story, and a look through its other posts will tell you plenty about the state of the whole field. I'm going to take the same course of action that I have with all purported new energy breakthroughs in the last twenty years: wish the participants good luck, hope that they've actually found something worthwhile, and sit back to watch. If anyone does make a breakthrough, it's going to be abundantly clear. If, on the other hand, the people involved are still flopping around and issuing press releases year after year, then they're probably still having to pay their own electric bills".

Of course there is always legitimate fusion...perhaps we could all get behind that.

www.iter.org/