If so who thinks its justified?

AUSTRALIAN AGED PENSIONER....; Weekly allowance -
$253.00

Weekly Spouse allowance =
$56.00

Additional weekly hardship allowance =
$0.00
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ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN AUSTRALIA .......;Weekly allowance -
$472.50
Weekly Spouse allowance -$472.50
Additional weekly hardship allowance -$145.00
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PENSIONER -TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT =$16,068.00

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ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN AUSTRALIA -TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT= $56,680.00

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After all, the average pensioner alone has paid taxes and contributed to the growth of this country for the last 40 to 60 years; a Defence member voluntarily endures hardship, prepared to give up their life to preserve the way of yours; and the farmer/battler who are the backbones of this Country and Culture - never reaches for a handout but always willing to lend a hand ....



When these people rarely, if ever, speak out they are shunned, ridiculed and dismissed by the Government and barely makes a headline in the news. When refugees/immigrants speak out about repression and insensitivity to their culture in Australia, it gets widespread media coverage and quick resolution by Government bodies.

IF, these figures are true does anyone have a good reason why we shouldnt increase the pensioners and defence personel's pension up to the level of that recieved by refugees, or drop theirs to that of our pensioners?

Payment rates

These Age Pension payment rates are effective from 20 March 2010.

An income and assets test will be used to work out how much you can get.
If you are The maximum fortnightly payment is
single $644.20
a couple $485.60 each

Note: These amounts exclude the Pension Supplement amount which is currently a maximum of $56.90 a fortnight for singles and $85.80 a fortnight for couples (combined).

* Customers in receipt of a pension on 19 September 2009 may be assessed under transitional arrangements and be eligible for different rates of payment.
* If you and your partner are separated because of illness, you may be paid at the single rate. Your combined income and assets will be used to work out your rates.
* You may receive the single rate of Age Pension if your partner is in prison or a psychiatric hospital.
* You may be eligible for the couple rate of Age Pension even if your partner is not receiving a pension, benefit or allowance.
* If you receive Age Pension you may qualify for other benefits

The sh!t you posted is a fake
check out this website - Snopes
Seems its a variation on a long running American spam mail.

www.snopes.com/fact-check/refugees-paid-retirees/

Groundhog day..

These dodgy emails spruking the aledged gross injustice of pension vs asylum seeker (NOT illegal immigrants - they get fek all and are shipped off) payments came around just prior to the last election.

One really has to wonder how forgetful/gullible/desperate to support their cause people are to keep falling for the same scams.

As for those that perpetrate the spreading of false information to gather support for those that want asylum seekers vilified, sleep well in the knowledge you are attracting the votes/collegiality of the ignorant, xenophobic or greedy. Great partners in bed with the liars there.

BTW - I've got some money I need shipped from Nigeria if anyone can help - there is a 1000% advantage if you do. Plus an extra $1,000,000 for anyone who is an illegal immigrant.

Oh and Obama and Osama went to the same school - if you believe the emails

Sailhack said...

Brings forward a good question though...

Would be interesting to know what the true rates & differences in allowances are.

Myth: Refugees can receive social security payments simply because they are refugees.
Fact: A refugee who has permanent residency in Australia receives exactly the same social security benefit as any Australian-born person in the same circumstances. Refugees apply for social security through Centrelink like everyone else and are assessed for the different payment options in the same way as everyone else. There are no separate Centrelink allowances that one can receive simply by virtue of being a refugee, nor do refugees receive cash payments under either the Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy (IHSS) or the Settlement Grants Program (SGP).

Myth: A single refugee receives $1458 more per month than an age pensioner.
Fact: A single person applying for Special Benefit or the Newstart Allowance (whether or not he or she is a refugee) will receive $456 per fortnight, whereas a single person on an Age Pension payment will receive a fortnightly payment of $671.90. A single age pensioner therefore receives over $200 more per fortnight more than a single refugee (or a single Australian-born person) who qualifies for Special Benefit or Newstart - not $1458 per month less, as claimed in the first hoax email. Australian citizens and permanent residents with dependent children on lower to middle incomes (including refugees) may also be eligible to receive Family Tax Benefits or Parenting Payments, however none of these allowances are paid at a higher rate than the single age pension.

Myth: Refugees receive higher rates of payment under Centrelink programs than age pensioners or other Australians.
Fact: Centrelink payments are calculated at exactly the same rate for both refugees and non-refugees (for instance, a single Australian-born person and a single refugee on the Newstart allowance would both receive exactly the same fortnightly payment of $456). The hoax e-mail which claims that illegal immigrants and refugees receive higher rates of payment than age pensioners under a number of Centrelink programs, including the Partner Allowance and the Hardship Allowance, quotes figures which are grossly inaccurate. For instance, a single person on an Age Pension payment receives a fortnightly payment of $671.90, not $253 as claimed in the email, and the maximum payment for the Partner Allowance is $411.50, not $472.50.

Myth: Asylum seekers can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: Asylum seekers are not entitled to the same forms of financial support as citizens or permanent residents. The Asylum Seeker Assistance (ASA) Scheme provides assistance to eligible asylum seekers who are in the process of having their refugee status determined. The ASA Scheme offers income support to cover basic living expenses, paid at 89 per cent of the Centrelink Special Benefit. This would equal approximately $405.84 per fortnight for a single asylum seeker - over $260 less than the single age pension.

Myth: Illegal immigrants can receive Centrelink payments.
Fact: In general, only Australian citizens and permanent residents can receive social security payments from Centrelink and illegal immigrants would certainly not be entitled to such support. It is also factually incorrect to refer to either refugees or asylum seekers as "illegal immigrants". Recognised refugees in Australia by definition hold either a Refugee Visa or a Protection Visa, both of which entitle the holder to permanent residency. Asylum seekers - regardless of how they arrive in Australia - are permitted under Australian and international law to enter Australia for the purpose of seeking asylum, therefore asylum seekers have not broken any law and should not be referred to as illegal immigrants.

Further reading

Statements about the hoax emails have been issued by the Department of Immigration and Citizenship and the Minister for Human Services. These statements can be viewed at the following URLs:
http://www.immi.gov.au/media/letters/letters09/le090507.htm
www.alp.org.au/media/0608/mshs180.php

Payment rates for the Age Pension can be viewed here:
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/age_rates.htm

Payment rates for the Newstart Allowance can be viewed here (note that Special Benefit is usually calculated at the same rate as Newstart):
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/newstart.htm

Payment rates for Family Tax Benefits and Parenting Payments can be viewed at the following URLs:
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_a_rates.htm
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/ftb_b_rates.htm
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/parenting_rates.htm

Payment rates for the Partner Allowance can be viewed here:
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/payments/partner_rates.htm

Information on Hardship payments can be viewed here:
www.centrelink.gov.au/internet/internet.nsf/publications/fis013.htm

Information on the IHSS, the SGP and the ASA Scheme can be found at the following URLs:
www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/66ihss.htm
www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/92funding.htm
www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/62assistance.htm
www.redcross.org.au/ourservices_aroundtheworld_tracingrefugeeservices_ASAS.htm

SOURCE www.refugeecouncil.org.au/current/myths.html

ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN AUSTRALIA:
Weekly allowance - $472.50
Weekly Spouse allowance -$472.50
Additional weekly hardship allowance -$145.00

You can tell it isn't true because it doesn't make any sense.

a) We obviously don't give money to illegal immigrants.
b) Refugees and illegal immigrants are very different. They do not deserve to be seperated with a '/'

It seems some people in our community would like to ignore genuine refugees and send them away. I see this as seeing a fellow sailor drifting out to sea and ignoring them, perhaps run them over a bit. When people are in need we help them, no?

Boring Facts:
"Most refugees are of working age. This means that the main form of assistance provided to refugees is Newstart Allowance (commonly known as unemployment benefits). To qualify for Newstart Allowance, a refugee needs to meet the same requirements as any other resident. This includes participation in activities designed to increase one's chances of finding work and accepting work should it become available.[18] There are no special or extra rates of Newstart Allowance for refugees.

As such, a single refugee receiving Newstart Allowance and sharing rented accommodation would currently receive $530.53 per fortnight (comprised of Newstart Allowance of $456.00 and Rent Assistance of $74.53). This is precisely the same amount that would be received by any other permanent resident of Australia receiving Newstart Allowance."

Source:
http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/AustGovAssist_Refugees.htm#_Toc247594913

Your still a Mummies bhoy. Now pick up your dummy and hurry along now.

It is a 100% lie (110% even ) BTW not partly, a little tinsy bit or even a microbe of truth in it. Perhaps if you hadn't scammed your way thru school you'd see that.

You don't work in the immigration or foreign affairs dept by any chance?

Globetrotter said...
No problems come in Wednesday, the lady told me you will have to wait longer but we have translators in on Wednesday & we are able to be more lenient with the information we gather!!!!!

I took that as if i could not speak English i had a better chance of obtaining a hand out.

I took that as something else entirely.

http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1175518031/Savage_Beatings_at_the_Hands_of_Iraqi_Police


I feel sorry for some refugees there countries are completely ****ed . Its so saddening and the reality is HARSH

Is it justified to send them back to this?

Don't sweat it Trotski.

Dunno about the others but I was just exercising a bit of off-season pizz taking.

Now get back to re-sitting your year 10 exams - scammer!

I thought this sounded like BS when it did the rounds 6 or so months ago and it was quickly debunked back then.

However regardless of them getting the same entitlements when they are accepted into Australia as citizens / permanent residents, I do take issue with what they get in detention.
For example what really sh!ts me is the revelation that they get Sensodyne toothpaste (and the subsequent rubbishing of those who complained about it in the letters to the West Australian 2 or so weeks ago also annoys me greatly).

Why give them $7 a tube stuff when $3 a tube is just fine for 90% of people? Let those of them that have sensitive teeth see the doctor or dentist (that they are provided with for free), and ask the good Doc to authorise it. Why give it out as a blanket thing to all of them? Now before the bleeding hearts say it is only $4 difference or whatever....
(1) many of them are used to no toothpaste or having to PAY for it back home where there is no social security
(2) pensioners have trouble with luxuries and if just one of them in WA said she needs Sensodyne and can't afford it, then that is a national disgrace that we as an affluent nation should be ashamed of
My grandmother brushed her teeth with soap (try that some time) only 25yrs ago due to lack of disposable income on the pension.
(3) how many other little non essentials do they get? I'd really like to know. Those whinging about the kids getting school uniform are losers, but premium toiletries seriously are too much.
(4) thay have already landed in paradise. Giving them them free accom and 3 sqaure meals a day already has them absolutely stoked so seriously do they need pampering??? ... there is a big difference between supporting those in need and pampering.

I swear by Sensodyne look at the results.

I'm guessing the sensodyne is purchased due to poor dental hygene (due to lack of education or sheer poverty) prior to arrival. It just might reduce the number of dentist bills in the short term?

So give them water with extra fluoride?

EDIT: Oh sh!t here comes the GovCo mind control conspiary threads again

c'mon PR you know I meant paradise compared to where they are from.

(1) OK simple analogy that will stir up the bleeding hearts, but is true.

You find a stray dog and take it home as it is the right thing to do.
Do you give it caviar and champage, or dog food and water? Of course the latter as it thinks it is just grand, having not been fed for a while, and it is NORMAL stuff. If you gave the stray dog caviar and champagne, and continued to give your own dog dry dog bikkies and water, it would be dumb. (That is what we are doing - neglecting our pensioners, mentally ill, homeless and drug addicts, to give Sensodyne and brand new gym equipment to detained illegal arrivals).

Anyway...... Once you know the dog is not a biter, well adjusted and not carrying any baggage (fleas etc) then you will accept it into your home and you can choose to give it caviar and chamapgne as long as that is what your original dog got.

Nah actually, I'm wrong. Prisoners have had a hard life too so maybe when they are released, instead of giving them the normal dole payment we should give them $40K a year!!!!!

(2) who seriously believes that people who pay $12,000 to get here are the most marginalised and poorly off in those war torn countries? The true refugees are the ones who can't afford to pay a shonky smuggler to get themselves out.... and we as a nation do sweet F.A for them. Neither does the U.N - they are too busy telling us how bad we are for mandatory detention and how bad we treat our indigenous persons, rather than the U.N having the moral fibre and integrity to resolve the situation in the sh!thouse countries our boat people are coming from.

Gee I really didn't predict I'd get red thumbs

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