How to deal with big chop?

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Macroscien
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5 Jan 2011 1:01am
I wonder what is your advice to go through real big chop coming in all unpleasant directions when in well over powered conditions?
When I try to slow down, release power then board become quite unstable difficult to control. On another hand going full speed means skipping from top of one wave to another works well but constant speed increase worry me a bit.
Today. Wind gusting 35 knots, 6.2 m2, board 115L,fin 29 cm, me 82kg, chop >1m
Mark _australia
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4 Jan 2011 11:09pm
The latter is supposed to happen.. it is fun

Don't sheet out and try to slow, that is what caused the instability. As soon as you sheet out the sail power is no longer holding the front of the board down.
You may also be over finned, most people are when it is really windy, and that won't help

I know it is different for freeride, but as a 90kg guy, on my wave gear if it is 25-30kn I am on 80L and 4.7. In constant 35 (real solid 35, not gusting 35) I am on 4.0 and 75L.
You are fighting volume and sail saize (and probably fin size too) in those gusts man
Macroscien
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5 Jan 2011 1:29am
You are right with right adequate equipment for conditions. When I switched to my son's gear 74L and 5.7m2 I was quite comfortable.
But I wonder what is the strategy to survive in extreme overpowered conditions that all you really want is to reach bank in one piece when caught by sudden wind gusts?
By analogy on the skis there are some moves that allow you to slow down. But how to slow down running windsurfer without loosing stability?
nebbian
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4 Jan 2011 11:37pm
Grit your teeth
Sail upwind (not like you've got much choice really)
Try not to fall off
Slog if you have to
Do not, repeat do not get backwinded...

That's in ballistic conditions, totally overpowered 40 knots territory though.

In normal overpowered choppy conditions when you fall off pull as much outhaul on as possible, then sail back.
Mark _australia
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5 Jan 2011 12:20am
and in addition to nebbs post

If the board won't stay in the water, it is an opportune time to learn how to jump.
Hop, bear away a bit, land. Hop, bear away a bit, land. Hop, bear away a bit, land.
getfunky
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5 Jan 2011 2:30am
Eeeyyeewww... sailboarding advice in the general section.

Macroscien
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5 Jan 2011 12:05pm
getfunky said...

Eeeyyeewww... sailboarding advice in the general section.




I think that my question is relevant to all water sports.
It a bit like driving your car on bumpy road.
Is it better for go quick to smooth the ride or go slowly and feel all the up and downs?
I can see kite surfers just beside me on the same chop straggling even jet ski feel uneasy.
getfunky
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5 Jan 2011 10:13am
I'm happy to ride anyway anytime.

Rough n bumpy, slow n tender.. dinner and a movie 1st.. wait you were on about sailboarding right?

Just kidding Mac - but you may get more opinions for your question on the poley forum.

The main element we ALL need over here right now is wind. Hope your'e getting some over there mate. Wind that is.
doggie
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5 Jan 2011 10:26am
getfunky said...

I'm happy to ride anyway anytime.

Rough n bumpy, slow n tender.. dinner and a movie 1st.. wait you were on about sailboarding right?

Just kidding Mac - but you may get more opinions for your question on the poley forum.

The main element we ALL need over here right now is wind. Hope your'e getting some over there mate. Wind that is.


Ive got wind, but that type
getfunky
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5 Jan 2011 10:45am
Too much inhalation sucking on (.)(.) no doubt doggie.
doggie
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5 Jan 2011 10:51am
getfunky said...

Too much inhalation sucking on (.)(.) no doubt doggie.


In my wildest dreams atm mate
DipsyGriftir
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5 Jan 2011 1:24pm
Grow some balls!
getfunky
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5 Jan 2011 1:44pm
Oh sheeart! The troll o' the century is back.





Get back under your slimey rock DG. [}:)]
doggie
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5 Jan 2011 2:02pm
DipsyGriftir said...

Grow some balls!


Do you have any? I dont think so, hiding under Maggie like that
GalahOnTheBay
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5 Jan 2011 8:03pm
Macroscien said...

I wonder what is your advice to go through real big chop coming in all unpleasant directions when in well over powered conditions?


Find somewhere else to ride?
Mark _australia
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5 Jan 2011 5:18pm
GalahOnTheBay said...

Macroscien said...

I wonder what is your advice to go through real big chop coming in all unpleasant directions when in well over powered conditions?


Find somewhere else to ride?


Go and wash your mouth out with soap and water!!!
busterwa
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5 Jan 2011 6:02pm
just prey to the wind gods and ask them to send your 35 knots to W.A
h20
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5 Jan 2011 9:34pm
Macroscien said...

I wonder what is your advice to go through real big chop coming in all unpleasant directions when in well over powered conditions?
When I try to slow down, release power then board become quite unstable difficult to control. On another hand going full speed means skipping from top of one wave to another works well but constant speed increase worry me a bit.
Today. Wind gusting 35 knots, 6.2 m2, board 115L,fin 29 cm, me 82kg, chop >1m


Use your knees like big shock absorbers. Like a mogul skier. Becaggressive as the knees may end up near your chest. Enjoy
Mobydisc
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5 Jan 2011 9:54pm
How to deal with big chop?

Grill and serve with three veg.
Macroscien
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5 Jan 2011 9:53pm
In reality when conditions are getting nasty, most of you brave responders pack their bags and desert water.
Because sailing is about right equipment, nice sunny weather, smooth water and obviously moderate wind in required direction,
Is no longer fun when current is strong, waves unpredictable, wind gusty, boat traffic crazy,
No surprise in time like that i found myself, 1 kite and one windsurfer only left on the water from just about group of 20 a minutes ago.
busterwa
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5 Jan 2011 8:25pm
35 knots with a 6.2 on a 115 l... are you for real dude or dud lol.
try a 80 liter on a 4.7 sounds about right
Mabe its gusts of 35?
You harness lines must be back at the extention travelling upwind comfortably lol
I could only imagine how your battens feel popping in and out on 1/4 sheeted when you come to the conclusion you have to go down wind at some stage !!!
Are you trying to break your ankles >.. please wear a gaff for your own saftey.

Mark _australia
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5 Jan 2011 10:42pm
Macroscien said...

In reality when conditions are getting nasty, most of you brave responders pack their bags and desert water. Because sailing is about right equipment, nice sunny weather, smooth water and obviously moderate wind in required direction,
Is no longer fun when current is strong, waves unpredictable, wind gusty, boat traffic crazy,
No surprise in time like that i found myself, 1 kite and one windsurfer only left on the water from just about group of 20 a minutes ago.


So you ask how to handle waaay overpowered conditions in big chop, then insult all those who have replied by saying they p1SS off when the going gets tough? Yeah that will earn you points here...

Maybe when you were the only one left on the water it is because all those who have half a brain had gone in to change down.
Macroscien
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6 Jan 2011 1:22am
Mark _australia said...

Macroscien said...

In reality when conditions are getting nasty, most of you brave responders pack their bags and desert water. Because sailing is about right equipment, nice sunny weather, smooth water and obviously moderate wind in required direction,
Is no longer fun when current is strong, waves unpredictable, wind gusty, boat traffic crazy,
No surprise in time like that i found myself, 1 kite and one windsurfer only left on the water from just about group of 20 a minutes ago.


So you ask how to handle waaay overpowered conditions in big chop, then insult all those who have replied by saying they p1SS off when the going gets tough? Yeah that will earn you points here...

Maybe when you were the only one left on the water it is because all those who have half a brain had gone in to change down.



I am very grateful for your technical advice and I will try all at nearest occasion your tips to implement, and don't mean to insult anybody.
My question is quite analytical, and we all could be cough is such conditions , even if somebody want or don't.
I actually like difficult terrain since brings opportunity to improve skills and release stress. How long you can glide on Sandy Point at comfortable conditions, at slow pace to be perfectly safe?
If somebody want some adrenalin in the blood better do this on the water not on the road where zero skill is needed to depress accelerator (with foreseeable result).
On another hand what is the point to post comments on my inquiry, intended to be funny or offensive but doesn't have a bit of merit.
Macroscien
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6 Jan 2011 1:39am
Mark _australia said...

Macroscien said...

In reality when conditions are getting nasty, most of you brave responders pack their bags and desert water. Because sailing is about right equipment, nice sunny weather, smooth water and obviously moderate wind in required direction,
Is no longer fun when current is strong, waves unpredictable, wind gusty, boat traffic crazy,
No surprise in time like that i found myself, 1 kite and one windsurfer only left on the water from just about group of 20 a minutes ago.


So you ask how to handle waaay overpowered conditions in big chop, then insult all those who have replied by saying they p1SS off when the going gets tough? Yeah that will earn you points here...

Maybe when you were the only one left on the water it is because all those who have half a brain had gone in to change down.



Your comment make sense , If they all gone to change gear to adjust to tough condition, that is fine.
But if they give up because is too much of everything to bother ( wind, chop, current) ,
What do you say then?
Mister Dugong
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5 Jan 2011 11:43pm
Find a big bit of chop and hit it, do a forward loop in the direction of the shore !! Then your home with style! Tell me there is no merit in that!!! He hee.
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